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    Posted: Apr 27 2016 at 8:18pm
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Where Are They Today
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Winchester Repeating Arms Company, New Haven, Connecticut

(41.321583, -72.928821)

Winchester closed its New Haven plant January 16, 2006. One of the original buildings in the middle is now an apartment complex known as “Winchester Lofts”, renting from $1200-2700/mo. Check out their web site. There are a few neat historical pictures in their gallery.

www.winchesterlofts.com

 

Inland Manufacturing Division, General Motors Corporation Dayton, Ohio

(39.750029, -84.238824)

The Inland complex was recently razed, all except for the original Wright Brother’s factory which awaits restoration as a museum. Note the distinctive shape of the front of the buildings, inspiration for the Inland logo found on carbine trigger housings. Here’s a link to a neat web site that shares the Inland story along with lots of pictures.

http://usautoindustryworldwartwo.com/General%20Motors/inland.htm

 

Underwood Elliott Fisher Company, Hartford, Connecticut

(41.762801, -72.695169)

Underwood, now defunct, was acquired by Olivetti, an Italian company, in 1959. It looks like nothing of the original factory remains at 581 Capitol Ave. address. Now there’s an office building on the site. I am still trying to determine the original location of the Bridgeport factory. I understand there was a New Hartford location as well. Check out this link to a story about Underwood’s “giant” typewriter.

http://www.historybyzim.com/2013/04/the-giant-underwood-master-typewriter


Quality Hardware and Machine Corporation, Chicago, Illinois

(41.988185, -87.674487)

Quality Hardware was also involved in making special equipment for the fabricating and handling of uranium components for the University of Chicago during the 1944 -1945 time frame. Rumor has it that this was in support of the Manhattan project. The company liquidated its assets shortly after the war and no longer exists. The original Quality Hardware facility was at one time considered a candidate for the government’s radiation cleanup program. I guess it was decided that radiation levels were below cleanup criteria at the time (1989). You can read more about it here:

http://projects.wsj.com/waste-lands/site/379-quality-hardware-and-machine-co/

The original buildings located on Ravenswood Ave. have since become the site of a 36 unit condominium project across the street from the railway.


Rock-ola Manufacturing Corporation, Chicago, Illinois

(41.896701, -87.707705)

Today the site at 800 N. Kedzie Ave is the home of a strip mall where you can find Aldi’s Discount Supermarket and J & J’s Fish and Chicken. I guess the original factory was demolished after Rock-ola sold out and the business moved to California. Here’s a link to a little of the history of Rock-ola with some neat pictures in the “Factory” section.

http://www.jukeboxhistory.info/RockOla/ROC-history.html

Irwin-Pedersen Arms Company, Saginaw Steering Gear, Grand Rapids, Michigan

(42.936688, -85.667031)

The site of the former Irwin Pedersen Arms Co. was, before that, a Macey's Co. Building, later taken over by Saginaw Steering Gear Division of General Motors. Today it's a fenced in empty field at 1516 Division Ave. South. At first I thought it was an inner city park but it’s posted with “DANGER NO TRESSPASSING” signs on all sides. Notice it's on the rail head as were many large factories at the time. All that's left today are the railroad tracks. There’s not much history on the Irwin-Pedersen Arms Co. as they weren’t around long. They were incorporated in March of 1942 just to build the carbine, which didn’t work out for them, and taken over by Saginaw Steering Gear in March of 1943.

I found a web site that tells a little bit of the history of the Saginaw Steering Division of G.M. Surprisingly there is not much historical information about the Saginaw Division available online.

http://quod.lib.umich.edu/c/clarke/ehll--saginawsteering?view=text


National Postal Meter Company, Inc. , Rochester, New York

(43.155845, -77.567401)

NPM was located in a former automobile showroom and repair shop. The buildings survive today. By the way, the Trimble Nurseryland Furniture Co. (NPM stock maker) is supposedly nearby on Lexington Ave. Here’s a bit of wartime history published by the Rochester Public Library.

http://www.rochester.lib.ny.us/~rochhist/v66_2004/v66i1.pdf

Standard Product Company, Port Clinton, Ohio

(41.510865, -82.921016)

Today it’s a Superfund site at 215 Maple Street. Only a few of the old buildings still remain. They have been abandoned for years. By the way, it’s also on a railhead.

https://cumulis.epa.gov/supercpad/cursites/csitinfo.cfm?id=0510570

International Business Machines Corporation, Plant #4, Poughkeepsie, New York

(41.655372, -73.935243)

This was as close as I could get to IBM, Poughkeepsie (Plant #4) on Google Earth Street View. It’s like a 200+ acre site. Big Blue has bought and sold hundreds of acres in the area over the last 70 years so it’s hard to know exactly where our favorite rifle was made. The original building may not be there anymore. Here’s a link to a site that tells a little more about the history of the Poughkeepsie plant.

http://tech-insider.org/mainframes/research/1995/0110.html

Saginaw Grand Rapids, Michigan

(43.400568, -83977683)

It took me a while to find the location of the original Saginaw Steering Gear Plant in Saginaw, Michigan at 1400 Holmes Street. Nothing remains except an ocean of concrete and asphalt slabs. It was razed in 2002.

Here’s an interesting article about the Steering Gear Plant employee reunion.

http://www.mlive.com/news/saginaw/index.ssf/2012/12/saginaw_steering_gear_plant_2.html

I found a web site that tells a little bit of the history of the Saginaw Steering Division of G.M. Surprisingly there is not much historical information about the Saginaw Division available online.

http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015071539939;view=1up;seq=17

EDITORS NOTE: this was put together by a member that wished no recognition but was awarded club points for doing so.

The following is an excerpt from his email to the club.
 
A couple of weeks ago I was snowed and needed something to do to keep from getting cabin fever. I thought it would be neat to take a “virtual” trip to each of the original carbine manufacturing locations utilizing Google Earth. It took a little bit of online research to find them all and I’m still not really sure of some but I persisted.  I know it’s not complete and probably fraught with errors, but I thought you might find some of it interesting and possibly worth sharing with others.

It would be great if this could reach people who have actually seen, in person, these locations and then they could add their own perspective about the history of the manufacture of the “Light Weight Semiautomatic Rifle”.
The coordinates are given to allow anyone to personally visit the site on Google Earth Street View, and walk around as they please. I’ve included links to related web sites that might be of interest.

I would ask that any and all members when finding something carbine related no mater how big or small to submit it to the club.

The club is the membership and without submissions we are just another chat forum.

 
 
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http://www.robynlisone.com/Abandoned/Winchester-Fire-Arms-New-Haven/ 

Got this link of another forum. Pictures of the old Winchester factory before most of it was demolished.

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I love this kind of stuff. Thank you very much for posting.

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Really enjoyed the history - especially about carbines.
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thanks for the pix, they are great
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Thanks for the pictures of the IBM plant. The picture of the machinist at his work bench reminded me of my days as a machinist in a prototype shop I worked at nearly 50 years ago. I had a duct tape seat cushion just like that!
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The IBM picture below the machinist at desk makes me think of the article on the blind interchangeability test.
 
Two down from that, the woman at table 15, Stamping logo? What operation do you think?
 
And those who missed it, the 1918 BAR's Sweet stuff!
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The fixture that she's using looks like it holds the TH in a vertical position. If she were stamping logos wouldn't it be on it's side? The next station has a belt sander so maybe they are deburring. She might be knocking the burr out of the hammer spring hole.

You did ask what I thought.
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I really did enjoyed this article and appreciate the work that went into it. 
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Originally posted by jackp1028 jackp1028 wrote:

The fixture that she's using looks like it holds the TH in a vertical position. If she were stamping logos wouldn't it be on it's side? The next station has a belt sander so maybe they are deburring. She might be knocking the burr out of the hammer spring hole.

You did ask what I thought.
 
 
I pulled out a trigger housing for IBM and looked at it. IBM used the type 4 throughout production *sans any possible transfers*. The type 4 was the brazed style.
 
Looking at the bottom of her fixture it appears there is a pin would have gone into the hammer pin hole, though I think this was to locate it. Being the back section is not flat it would have sat on only a portion of the rear of housing. I observes a mark where this would sit.
 
I copied and enlarged the picture.  First thing that stood out is that those trigger housings have "ears" that protrude forward of the area where the pin goes. I believe that fixture was to bend over pr peen a section before the ears were ground off at the next station.
 
What I find curious was that I was under the impression that the housings were made by Murray-Ohio Manufacturing Company Which makes the BE-B confusing, but further why would there be a picture of them at the IBM plant? Maybe they were partially finished from them?
 
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The E in BE-B stood for IBM's Endicott plant where some of the design work on the type IV housing took place. The Poughkeepsie plant 4 assembled the housings from there is the story I've always seen. Corrections welcomed.
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The view from the gate of the former Saginaw Steering Gear Plant 2, located at 1400 Holmes. Plant 2, also known as The Gun Plant, was razed in 2002.
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It looks like the gate is the only thing standing now. You can see it in the distance from the Google Earth location. The correct coordinates are (43.400568, -83.977683). A decimal point is missing.
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Can't get any better than this!!
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check out the rack in carbine packing department 219! sexy!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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I love this stuff. Thanks to all who added to it.
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I love this kind of thing, I don't understand why history is boring to lots of people.  I guess it depends on your interests.

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