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Topic: Where are they Today
Posted By: Lupus Dei
Subject: Where are they Today
Date Posted: Apr 27 2016 at 8:18pm
May 2016-J
 
Where Are They Today
Google Maps of Prime Contractors

EDITORS NOTE: this was put together by a member that wished no recognition but was awarded club points for doing so.

The following is an excerpt from his email to the club.
 
A couple of weeks ago I was snowed and needed something to do to keep from getting cabin fever. I thought it would be neat to take a “virtual” trip to each of the original carbine manufacturing locations utilizing Google Earth. It took a little bit of online research to find them all and I’m still not really sure of some but I persisted.  I know it’s not complete and probably fraught with errors, but I thought you might find some of it interesting and possibly worth sharing with others.

It would be great if this could reach people who have actually seen, in person, these locations and then they could add their own perspective about the history of the manufacture of the “Light Weight Semiautomatic Rifle”.
The coordinates are given to allow anyone to personally visit the site on Google Earth Street View, and walk around as they please. I’ve included links to related websites that might be of interest.

I would ask that any and all members when finding something carbine related no matter how big or small to submit it to the club.

 

Winchester Repeating Arms Company, New Haven, Connecticut

(41.321583, -72.928821)

Winchester closed its New Haven plant on January 16, 2006. One of the original buildings in the middle is now an apartment complex known as “Winchester Lofts”, renting from $1200-2700/mo. Check out their website. There are a few neat historical pictures in their gallery.

http://www.winchesterlofts.com/" rel="nofollow - Inland Manufacturing Division, General Motors Corporation Dayton, Ohio

(39.750029, -84.238824)

The Inland complex was recently razed, all except for the original Wright Brother’s factory which awaits restoration as a museum. Note the distinctive shape of the front of the buildings, inspiration for the Inland logo found on carbine trigger housings. Here’s a link to a neat website that shares the Inland story along with lots of pictures.

http://usautoindustryworldwartwo.com/General%20Motors/inland.htm" rel="nofollow -

 
http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/CCNLs/516jObit.pdf" rel="nofollow -

Underwood Elliott Fisher Company, Hartford, Connecticut

(41.762801, -72.695169)

Underwood, now defunct, was acquired by Olivetti, an Italian company, in 1959. The original factory at 581 Capitol Ave. was demolished in 1970. The modern office building and parking structure show above replaced it.

Check out this link to a story about Underwood’s “giant” typewriter

http://redletterdayzine.wordpress.com/2015/06/23/giant-typewriters-at-the-panama-pacific-expo-1915/" rel="nofollow -

Underwood's General Research Lab, Hartford, CT.

56 Arbor Street. (41.75928,-72.70387)

Though actual parts for the carbine were not produced here, the facility was used to test parts to make better carbines. For more see War Baby pg.112

This location is now an "Art Space" which exhibits visual art, has a theater and hosts live music, theater, and community events.


With New2brass’ help, the original location of the two UEF Bridgeport factories has been determined. One was located at 575 Broad Street and the other on 480 Bunnell Street.


Underwood Elliott Fisher Company, 575 Broad St., Bridgeport, Connecticut

(41.17173, -73.18923)

These buildings no longer exist. There is a parking lot on Broad Street, shown above. This is where UEF Bridgeport Building “A” once stood. This near Jenkins Curve, an infamous sharp bend in the railway.


Underwood Elliott Fisher Company, 480 Bunnell St., Bridgeport, Connecticut

(41.18498, -73.168)

 
The original factory at the Bunnell Street location has been torn down.
It has been replaced by this now abandoned cinder block building (below) which was part of the Seaview Avenue Industrial Park Project circa 2006.
Currently not occupied.


 

 

We have also since determined the two New Hartford location of their factories as well. 

War Baby page 109 mentions that parts were made in New Hartford but it is unclear which of these two buildings were utilized at this time.

Underwood Elliott Fisher Company, 57 Greenwoods St., New Hartford, Connecticut 

(41.8846, -72.97948)

Unfortunately, Google Earth has no Street View for this location but New2brass was able to take this picture in person.     



The building is still standing and is at 37 Greenwoods Road and is now occupied by several small businesses and called the Hurley Business Park http://www.hurleybusinesspark.com/" rel="nofollow - http://www.hurleybusinesspark.com/  

There was a second New Hartford location owned by Underwood on the same street. It is gone and now at that location a small town maintenance garage. There was no street view available.

 In 1955 Two back-to-back hurricanes saturated New England and several river valleys in the state, causing severe flooding in August 1955. Many houses and buildings were swept away or destroyed.

It has not been confirmed as of yet but it is believed this second factory was swept away or torn down as unrepairable due to the flooding.




Quality Hardware and Machine Corporation, Chicago, Illinois

(41.988185, -87.674487)

Quality Hardware was also involved in making special equipment for the fabricating and handling of uranium components for the University of Chicago during the 1944 -1945 time frame. Rumor has it that this was in support of the Manhattan project. The company liquidated its assets shortly after the war and no longer exists. The original Quality Hardware facility was at one time considered a candidate for the government’s radiation cleanup program. I guess it was decided that radiation levels were below cleanup criteria at the time (1989). You can read more about it here:

http://projects.wsj.com/waste-lands/site/379-quality-hardware-and-machine-co/" rel="nofollow -

The original buildings located on Ravenswood Ave. have since become the site of a 36 unit condominium project across the street from the railway.


Rock-ola Manufacturing Corporation, Chicago, Illinois

(41.896701, -87.707705)

Today the site at 800 N. Kedzie Ave is the home of a strip mall where you can find Aldi’s Discount Supermarket and J & J’s Fish and Chicken. I guess the original factory was demolished after Rock-ola sold out and the business moved to California. Here’s a link to a little of the history of Rock-ola with some neat pictures in the “Factory” section.

http://www.jukeboxhistory.info/rock-ola/history.html" rel="nofollow -

Irwin-Pedersen Arms Company, Saginaw Steering Gear, Grand Rapids, Michigan

(42.936688, -85.667031)

The site of the former Irwin Pedersen Arms Co. was, before that, a Macey's Co. Building, later taken over by Saginaw Steering Gear Division of General Motors. Today it's a fenced-in empty field at 1516 Division Ave. South. At first, I thought it was an inner city park but it’s posted with “DANGER NO TRESPASSING” signs on all sides. Notice it's on the railhead as were many large factories at the time. All that's left today are the railroad tracks. There’s not much history on the Irwin-Pedersen Arms Co. as they weren’t around long. They were incorporated in March of 1942 just to build the carbine, which didn’t work out for them and taken over by Saginaw Steering Gear in March of 1943.

I found a website that tells a little bit of the history of the Saginaw Steering Division of G.M. Surprisingly there is not much historical information about the Saginaw Division available online.

http://quod.lib.umich.edu/c/clarke/ehll--saginawsteering?view=text" rel="nofollow -


National Postal Meter Company, Inc., Rochester, New York

(43.155845, -77.567401)

NPM was located in a former automobile showroom and repair shop. The buildings survive today. By the way, the Trimble Nurseryland Furniture Co. (NPM stock maker) is supposedly nearby on Lexington Ave. Here’s a bit of wartime history published by the Rochester Public Library.

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/local/columnists/memmott/2018/01/30/jim-memmott-rochester-company-switched-meters-munitions-during-wwii/1076149001/" rel="nofollow -

Standard Product Company, Port Clinton, Ohio

(41.510865, -82.921016)

Today it’s a Superfund site at 215 Maple Street. Only a few of the old buildings still remain. They have been abandoned for years. By the way, it’s also on a railhead.

https://cumulis.epa.gov/supercpad/cursites/csitinfo.cfm?id=0510570" rel="nofollow - https://cumulis.epa.gov/supercpad/cursites/csitinfo.cfm?id=0510570

International Business Machines Corporation, Plant #4, Poughkeepsie, New York

(41.655372, -73.935243)

This was as close as I could get to IBM, Poughkeepsie (Plant #4) on Google Earth Street View. It’s like a 200+ acre site. Big Blue has bought and sold hundreds of acres in the area over the last 70 years so it’s hard to know exactly where our favorite rifle was made. The original building may not be there anymore. Here’s a link to a site that tells a little more about the history of the Poughkeepsie plant.

http://tech-insider.org/mainframes/research/1995/0110.html" rel="nofollow -

Saginaw Steering Gear, Saginaw, Michigan

(43.400568, -83977683)

It took me a while to find the location of the original Saginaw Steering Gear Plant in Saginaw, Michigan at 1400 Holmes Street. Nothing remains except an ocean of concrete and asphalt slabs. It was razed in 2002.

Here’s an interesting article about the Steering Gear Plant employee reunion.

http://www.mlive.com/news/saginaw/index.ssf/2012/12/saginaw_steering_gear_plant_2.html

I found a website that tells a little bit of the history of the Saginaw Steering Division of G.M. Surprisingly there is not much historical information about the Saginaw Division available online.

http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015071539939;view=1up;seq=17


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Replies:
Posted By: Car Wash Chris
Date Posted: Apr 30 2016 at 2:23pm
Thanks for all the hard work, you just made my cold rainy Saturday a better day.   


Posted By: AlanDavid
Date Posted: May 01 2016 at 2:12am
http://www.robynlisone.com/Abandoned/Winchester-Fire-Arms-New-Haven/" rel="nofollow - http://www.robynlisone.com/Abandoned/Winchester-Fire-Arms-New-Haven/  

Got this link of another forum. Pictures of the old Winchester factory before most of it was demolished.

Regards

Alan David
Sydney
Australia


Posted By: David Albert
Date Posted: May 01 2016 at 7:27am
I love this kind of stuff. Thank you very much for posting.

David Albert
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Posted By: moneawon
Date Posted: May 01 2016 at 8:12am
Some may have seen these, but to capture for posterity.
















Posted By: Uncle John
Date Posted: May 03 2016 at 4:19pm
Really enjoyed the history - especially about carbines.


Posted By: docvinyl33
Date Posted: May 03 2016 at 7:06pm
thanks for the pix, they are great


Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: May 03 2016 at 9:46pm
Thanks for the pictures of the IBM plant. The picture of the machinist at his work bench reminded me of my days as a machinist in a prototype shop I worked at nearly 50 years ago. I had a duct tape seat cushion just like that!

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Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: May 03 2016 at 10:57pm
The IBM picture below the machinist at desk makes me think of the article on the blind interchangeability test.
 
Two down from that, the woman at table 15, Stamping logo? What operation do you think?
 
And those who missed it, the 1918 BAR's Sweet stuff!


Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: May 04 2016 at 10:00am
The fixture that she's using looks like it holds the TH in a vertical position. If she were stamping logos wouldn't it be on it's side? The next station has a belt sander so maybe they are deburring. She might be knocking the burr out of the hammer spring hole.

You did ask what I thought.

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Posted By: Charles
Date Posted: May 04 2016 at 1:45pm
I really did enjoyed this article and appreciate the work that went into it. 
Charlies


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Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: May 04 2016 at 4:36pm
Originally posted by jackp1028 jackp1028 wrote:

The fixture that she's using looks like it holds the TH in a vertical position. If she were stamping logos wouldn't it be on it's side? The next station has a belt sander so maybe they are deburring. She might be knocking the burr out of the hammer spring hole.

You did ask what I thought.
 
 
I pulled out a trigger housing for IBM and looked at it. IBM used the type 4 throughout production *sans any possible transfers*. The type 4 was the brazed style.
 
Looking at the bottom of her fixture it appears there is a pin would have gone into the hammer pin hole, though I think this was to locate it. Being the back section is not flat it would have sat on only a portion of the rear of housing. I observes a mark where this would sit.
 
I copied and enlarged the picture.  First thing that stood out is that those trigger housings have "ears" that protrude forward of the area where the pin goes. I believe that fixture was to bend over pr peen a section before the ears were ground off at the next station.
 
What I find curious was that I was under the impression that the housings were made by Murray-Ohio Manufacturing Company Which makes the BE-B confusing, but further why would there be a picture of them at the IBM plant? Maybe they were partially finished from them?
 


Posted By: Why Carbines?
Date Posted: May 04 2016 at 10:08pm
The E in BE-B stood for IBM's Endicott plant where some of the design work on the type IV housing took place. The Poughkeepsie plant 4 assembled the housings from there is the story I've always seen. Corrections welcomed.


Posted By: GoldenGuy
Date Posted: May 05 2016 at 12:08am
The view from the gate of the former Saginaw Steering Gear Plant 2, located at 1400 Holmes. Plant 2, also known as The Gun Plant, was razed in 2002.


Posted By: GoldenGuy
Date Posted: May 05 2016 at 12:27am


Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: May 05 2016 at 10:57am
It looks like the gate is the only thing standing now. You can see it in the distance from the Google Earth location. The correct coordinates are (43.400568, -83.977683). A decimal point is missing.

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Posted By: shadycon
Date Posted: May 06 2016 at 4:47pm
Can't get any better than this!!


Posted By: GoldenGuy
Date Posted: May 15 2016 at 9:13am
check out the rack in carbine packing department 219! sexy!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Look CloserOuch


Posted By: J.R.2009
Date Posted: Aug 14 2016 at 5:00pm
I love this stuff. Thanks to all who added to it.


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Posted By: jhagle
Date Posted: Aug 15 2016 at 7:52pm
I love this kind of thing, I don't understand why history is boring to lots of people.  I guess it depends on your interests.

Thanks to all.


Posted By: Charles
Date Posted: Aug 15 2016 at 8:00pm
Having a piece of that history is even better.Carbine William's work shop


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Posted By: Wrdsmth
Date Posted: Aug 18 2016 at 9:05pm
Unfortunately the Standard Products link isn't working...?

I love this kind of stuff too - Thanks for the hard work!

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Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Aug 18 2016 at 10:56pm
EPA change the site number for Standard Products. Here's the new link.

http://cumulis.epa.gov/supercpad/cursites/csitinfo.cfm?id=0510570" rel="nofollow - http://cumulis.epa.gov/supercpad/cursites/csitinfo.cfm?id=0510570

Perhaps the Administrator can update the original article.


Posted By: Lupus Dei
Date Posted: Aug 18 2016 at 11:29pm
Link Fixed. Thank you Jack.

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Posted By: rhineriver
Date Posted: Aug 19 2016 at 4:20pm
Thanks for the great historical Pictures.


Posted By: m1a1fan
Date Posted: Aug 19 2016 at 7:43pm
Saginaw Steering Gear plant #2

http://ss.sites.mtu.edu/mhugl/2015/10/11/saginaw-steering-gear-division-of-general-motors-plant-2-small-arms-production/" rel="nofollow - http://ss.sites.mtu.edu/mhugl/2015/10/11/saginaw-steering-gear-division-of-general-motors-plant-2-small-arms-production/



Posted By: 1st M1 88
Date Posted: Sep 01 2016 at 5:57pm
Love the history too and agree with Charles


Posted By: SeoulFood
Date Posted: Sep 01 2016 at 6:05pm
I recently drove by the Inland factory while I was on leave. I've been by it many times (a girl I liked in high school lived right next to it), and I remember it before much of it was destroyed, but I had no idea how significant it was! It's really sad to me, that most people in Dayton today will never know...


Posted By: gunboat
Date Posted: Sep 03 2016 at 9:33pm
Good information.  Thanks.


Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Apr 01 2017 at 11:56am
On this day in 2014 (no joke) Member Ron Dalhamer took this photo of the Inland plant. The same view of this building can be seen in War Baby page 102.
For those interested here is a drone flying over head.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyC3EpH2YIM" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyC3EpH2YIM
For those who do not know the Inland plant included the Wright Brothers Factory. It was slated for destruction.
 
The National Aviation Heritage Area in conjunction with the National Parks Service are working to preserve and restore the original Wright buildings and making it a library and museum.
 
https://www.aviationheritagearea.org/wright-company-factory-site/" rel="nofollow - https://www.aviationheritagearea.org/wright-company-factory-site/
 
Thank you to Ron for sharing


Posted By: arthur
Date Posted: Apr 08 2017 at 11:55pm
The above picture in April first post is the same doorway as top left picture in CCN 322-8
                Ron
 


Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Apr 29 2017 at 2:36pm
Wow Ron, Great stuff! Did you provide the pictures from that article in Newsletter? Keep it coming!


Posted By: m1a1fan
Date Posted: Apr 29 2017 at 2:39pm
Ron, thanks for proving pictures. Great stuff! Off to read CCNL 322....


Posted By: arthur
Date Posted: Aug 03 2017 at 6:32pm
I found this today......where all those Inland Division's came from.

Demolition of the GM Inland  Home Ave


https://cucumberkey.photoshelter.com/gallery/Demolition-of-the-GM-Inland-Home-Ave-Factory-in-Dayton-Ohio/G0000dCOjgfOWm1M/0" rel="nofollow - https://cucumberkey.photoshelter.com/gallery/Demolition-of-the-GM-Inland-Home-Ave-Factory-in-Dayton-Ohio/G0000dCOjgfOWm1M/0

    


Posted By: m1a1fan
Date Posted: Aug 03 2017 at 7:39pm
Great pictures! Wonder if there are any plans to build something else there, re-develop the land, etc..?


Posted By: arthur
Date Posted: Aug 03 2017 at 8:10pm
The National Park Service  has control of part of the factory site that has the Wright airplane Factory buildings. It's going to be developed into a park with a public library and aviation history type things.

https://www.aviationheritagearea.org/wright-company-factory-site/" rel="nofollow - https://www.aviationheritagearea.org/wright-company-factory-site/


Posted By: m1a1fan
Date Posted: Aug 04 2017 at 2:06am
Nice to see at least something is still there. So much history happened at that location. A true landmark.


Posted By: m1a1fan
Date Posted: Aug 04 2017 at 2:07am
IBM Poughkeepsie



http://tech-insider.org/mainframes/research/1995/0110.html" rel="nofollow - http://tech-insider.org/mainframes/research/1995/0110.html


Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Mar 27 2018 at 2:34pm
Ron Dalhamer submitted this news article on Wright Factory site which is the Inland Factory

A related article can be found here

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/local/congress-oks-450-000-for-wright-brothers-factory-buildings/ADtzisi3hpipKaWfBt9aiP/" rel="nofollow - https://www.daytondailynews.com/news/local/congress-oks-450-000-for-wright-brothers-factory-buildings/ADtzisi3hpipKaWfBt9aiP/


As always, thanks for submitting Ron Thumbs Up


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Posted By: James K
Date Posted: Mar 27 2018 at 8:15pm
    What great pictures! Just love those old factories with rail heads. Packing department 219, Sure would like to find one of those shipping wood boxes to add to some my other wood boxes. Thank you all!


Posted By: Butsky
Date Posted: Mar 28 2018 at 5:46pm
This stuff is great. Even if you were not  keen on firearms, the history is fantastic!


Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Dec 04 2018 at 4:22pm
Update on Underwood facility at 581 Capitol Ave. Hartford CT.

I have read that Underwood had a facility in Hartford but built a new building in 1910 to move into.
Here is a postcard with unknown date.



In a 1955 photo this is what the largest typewriter factory looked like.



Notice the first drawing depicted the factory as squared off on Capitol Ave entrance.
In the second picture notice the parking lot across the street (bottom of the picture as orientated) 
I think during the wartime production they leveled a building there to build the parking lot

Looking east on Capitol Ave. circa 1973



The building has since been demolished but you can see G-maps picture here
http://www.google.com/maps/place/581+Capitol+Ave,+Hartford,+CT+06106/@41.7613422,-72.6974317,17z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x89e65345ad0b9ec5:0x85fc78690f8817a7!8m2!3d41.762638!4d-72.695618?hl=en&authuser=0" rel="nofollow - https://www.google.com/maps/place/581+Capitol+Ave,+Hartford,+CT+06106/@41.7613422,-72.6974317,17z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x89e65345ad0b9ec5:0x85fc78690f8817a7!8m2!3d41.762638!4d-72.695618?hl=en&authuser=0

If you toggle between Map and Satellite view notice how the Park River, sometimes called Hog River disappears. There were some incredible floods and from the 1940s till 1980s the Army Corps of Engineers buried the river. There are Youtube videos of the floods as well as people now canoeing the now underground river.

I visited the Connecticut state library and pulled an Atlas from 1909. To my surprise, the extended property was mapped out. It was on different pages so I cropped them together. The red is the property. Blue is from what I can see an addition via the 1955 picture.



here is a Google Maps screenshot to compare. Note the Riverside Drive is now Park Pl. and not Park Street.



Here I superimposed the two.



As to the "Original Hartford factory" more to follow




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Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Dec 04 2018 at 4:51pm
Dan, did you run across anything that mentions UEF having a Bridgeport and/or New Hartford site during WW2? These locations are mentioned in WB, page 109.

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Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Dec 04 2018 at 5:26pm
Jumping the gun Jack, Yep Bridgeport and New Hartford to follow.
You forgot NYC, Very Important!


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Posted By: painter777
Date Posted: Dec 14 2018 at 2:11pm
Underwood plant
Connecticut Historical Society Museum & Library.
http://emuseum.chs.org/emuseum/view/objects/asitem/search$0040/2/title-asc?t:state:flow=c532f7a5-2764-402b-beb4-53390c73879f

All pictures: Gift of Ruth Goodale.

2006.44.16 © 2014 The Connecticut Historical Society.
Underwood Typewriter building before tear down Aug 1970 


 2006.44.17 © 2014 The Connecticut Historical Society.
Factory Down. 
Dan Edit:(I believe this is looking east. The factory was to left, New Pope Park boundary to the right)


 2006.44.1 © 2014 The Connecticut Historical Society.
Looking East on Park St. near underpass
 


 2006.44.3 © 2014 The Connecticut Historical Society.
Looking North-West across Pope Park from Park Terr. South End 


2006.44.7 © 2014 The Connecticut Historical Society.
Pope Park  Development Area 


FWIW,
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Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Dec 14 2018 at 4:43pm
Pics added Charlie.
I think it is their website that does not allow links. It is a way to prevent overuse of bandwidth.
Photos were copied and installed in your folder.

Further research shows that Underwood by 1950 (if not earlier) expanded down to the rest of the parking lot. Underwood also acquired the Johns-Prat company on Capitol ave. which is the little triangle to east

Picture not added was number 18 which was the "Porcelain plant" I am unsure if this was part of Underwood or a separate business. 

Great stuff Charlie, Thanks for sharing.



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Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Dec 14 2018 at 4:49pm
Charlie, I recognize the UEF factory in the first picture (2006.44.16) with the smoke stack in the background. Two other pictures (2006.44.18, 2006.44.20) show only the remains of part of the smoke stack during demolition. Thank you for sharing. Now we know when the Hartford factory was demolished (1970).

Here's the picture (2006.44.16) showing part of the iconic corner tower with the smoke stack in the background.





Notice the ivy covering the building. If you look closely, you can see the same ivy in the third picture Dan posted on Dec. 4.   

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Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Dec 14 2018 at 4:53pm
Dan, you beat me to it. Thanks for adding pics. Is that object above the tower in the first picture the Yankee Expressway overpass?

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Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Dec 14 2018 at 5:22pm
Good Eye Jack! 
Looking at Gmaps the Yankee Expressway (I84) is only about 3 or 4 stories high. In that picture, it would have been 6 or 7 stories high. So I am at a loss as to what it is. Notice to the left the roof is missing.

Take a look at the survey map I sent you. Underwood had a building across the street to the northeast as well as a building to the east across Woodbine. 

Edit to add. It may be the front corner tower we are seeing at the right side of this photo, which would mean that the roof was altered. you can see the Yankee expressway in this B&W photo


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Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Dec 14 2018 at 5:39pm
The angle is wrong for it to be the Expressway. I think it might be a large demolition crane hovering above the site. Maybe they have already demolished the tower roof. Notice that the roof east of the breezeway is partially missing as well. Also, half of the smoke stack is gone.

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Posted By: painter777
Date Posted: Dec 14 2018 at 6:32pm
Originally posted by New2brass New2brass wrote:


Picture not added was number 18 which was the "Porcelain plant" I am unsure if this was part of Underwood or a separate business. 


Wasn't sure either about the Porcelain plant.. But then after reading through UEF News Christmas 1943, the write up about President Wagoner's 25th Anniversary gets around to mentioning the production of Aircraft instruments, Rate of climb indicators, fuses... etc.
I wondered if Porcelain Voltage Resistors 'Might' be a product they were making... Not sure.
Thanks for the help.

I'll try a link to those UEF News issues:
https://archive.org/details/underwoodtypewritercompany?sort=-date" rel="nofollow - https://archive.org/details/underwoodtypewritercompany?sort=-date

One thing is for sure UEF had a Ace up it's sleeve having someone like Philip D. Wagoner at the helm.
He had worked through Gov contracts both in WWI and WWII.

Been searching for newer issues to see if mention of a post WWII contract for bolts is mentioned.

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Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Jan 06 2019 at 2:59pm
While doing the research above I was contacted by the member who wrote the article. Subsequently, we worked together to uncover more information.
The original post has been updated to add more information on the Underwood plants.

Please check it out.
We would encourage anyone with the time and interest to add to this thread, as many have already done.
If you live in or in the area of any of the locations please take a picture of how it looks today. Historical pictures are also welcomed.

Here is an aerial view of the missing building in New Hartford. that is missing.  I overlayed a picture of the factory on the survey to give some perspective.


Both Underwood factories on that street were originally owned by Landers, Frary, and Clark. They were a cutlery business as well as manufacturing things such as vacuum cleaners which were manufactured at the plant pictured (now in original post)
The missing building pictured above was their Box Division.

In 1955 there were two back to back hurricanes that saturated Connecticut and surrounding states.
Days after the rivers rose and did incredible damage to the state to the tune of 200 million dollars which is about 1.6 billion in today's money.
The rushing flooded rivers overflowed and swept away the landscape, buildings, bridges, and roadways.
If interested do a search of 1955 Connecticut flood. Youtube has some videos. 


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Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Jan 07 2019 at 12:12pm
While doing the research above I was contacted by the member who wrote the article. Subsequently, we worked together to uncover more information.
The original post has been updated to add more information on the Underwood plants.
The Obituary link for Inland's O'Brien was broken so we fixed that link.

Please check it out.
We would encourage anyone with the time and interest to add to this thread, as many have already done.
If you live in or in the area of any of the locations please take a picture of how it looks today. Historical pictures are also welcomed.




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Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Jan 07 2019 at 12:13pm
Here is an aerial view of the missing building in New Hartford. that is missing.  I overlayed a picture of the factory on the survey to give some perspective.


Both Underwood factories on that street were originally owned by Landers, Frary, and Clark. They were a cutlery business as well as manufacturing things such as vacuum cleaners which were manufactured at the plant pictured (now in original post)
The missing building pictured above was their Box Division.

In 1955 there were two back to back hurricanes that saturated Connecticut and surrounding states.
Days after the rivers rose and did incredible damage to the state to the tune of 200 million dollars which is about 1.6 billion in today's money.
The rushing flooded rivers overflowed and swept away the landscape, buildings, bridges, and roadways.
If interested do a search of 1955 Connecticut flood. Youtube has some videos. 


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Posted By: Road Rat
Date Posted: Jan 13 2019 at 5:34pm
I always enjoy reading how the entire country got involved in the effort to support our military and our allies during World War TWO.  We shall never again see a time where nearly everyone was ready to pitch in at all levels!! Kids gather scrap iron, adults weren't pleased with rationing but did it quietly so the military could have all the supplies they required.  What a great time in America for "togetherness".......

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Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Mar 23 2020 at 3:11pm
Hueyjazz on the CMP Forum confirmed the location of Trimble Nurseryland Furniture Co. in Rochester, NY. They were the makers of stocks for National Postal Meter which was nearby. They're on the corner of Wren and Lexington. Here's a Google Earth Street view screen grab.





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Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Mar 03 2021 at 7:42pm
Here is a building involved with the carbine program.

What is its significance and where is it. Be specific!

http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/uploads/3657/119xcorrecta.jpg


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Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Mar 03 2021 at 8:51pm
This is reportedly the site of Underwood Elliot Fisher headquarters during WW2, the location where the Carbine Committee was first established. The original address was stated as 241 Broadway, New York, NY as noted in War Baby!. However the building in the picture is actually located at 1 Park Avenue which was also noted as a UEF HQ address (WB pg.116) A building now at the Broadway location (see below) looks similar but is many blocks away and there is no 241. The addresses jump from 235 to 250.





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Posted By: Smokpole
Date Posted: Mar 04 2021 at 4:40pm
If anyone has the time and inclination: The city library in Port Clinton has an extensive collection of information on the Standard Products plant. It was put together by one of the former mayors who worked there. I know of the collection, but haven't had the opportunity to look it over myself.

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Posted By: palmettopilot
Date Posted: Mar 04 2021 at 8:02pm
Great thread, I really enjoyed reading though all of it. 


Posted By: GotSnlB28
Date Posted: Feb 17 2023 at 7:48pm
The Rugg Mfg Plant in Greenfield, Massachusetts where magazines for the M1 Carbine were made during WW2 will be torn down soon. The company made shovels and rakes back then as well as now. However, they were sold and relocated around 2013.

These pictures/info are courtesy of OpRod321 over on CMP forums, posted with his permission.









Posted By: Smokpole
Date Posted: Feb 19 2023 at 11:52am
I passed through Port Clinton late last year. All of the Standard Product buildings are gone now. The only building left at that time was the guard shack and I wouldn't be surprised if that was gone too by now.



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Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Feb 21 2023 at 5:47pm
CCNL 249 features an article about Rugg Manufacturing Company. The article includes a page from a South River Modelworks advertisement that shows a really detailed model of the Rugg factory to be used with an HO gauge model railroad. The article states that 500 of these kits were made. I wonder where they are today?

Check out their web site.

https://www.southrivermodelworks.com/page170.html








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Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Feb 21 2023 at 7:05pm
I suspect the model is the Lumber division on 66 Newton St. Greenfield Mass. Note the pile of lumber and the dust collection unit.

Rugg opened a Lumber Div. in 1921 "across the street" from the metal stamping plant.
It had a driveway off W. Fairfield St. with a rail line behind it.
Today there is a Tractor Supply on that location.
http://www.mapquest.com/us/massachusetts/rugg-lumber-co-380747068" rel="nofollow - https://www.mapquest.com/us/massachusetts/rugg-lumber-co-380747068

This would make the building on 105 Newton St. the building in question. Mapquest shows Rugg Place, but suspect it is a private road .

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Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Feb 23 2023 at 2:08pm
It looks like the original metal factory was at 105 Newton St.

I found an article in the Greenfield Recorder that stated, "According to the Massachusetts Historical Commission, the main structure at 105 Newton St. was built in 1855 and has been home to an arms factory, cutlery or edged tool factory, and military manufacturing facility."

The lumber storage building was "across the street" according to the article.

https://www.recorder.com/Developer-seeks-to-demolish-former-Rugg-Manufacturing-building-47542178

It's at the end of a "Dead End" street. You can barely see it on Google Earth Street View. It looks like this is part the "flat roofed" storage and shipping area addition mentioned in the CCNL 249 article.




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Posted By: Matt_X
Date Posted: Mar 19 2023 at 1:23pm
Buffalo Arms
Supplier to the "Free Barrel" Program.
 
This was a bit of mystery because we didn’t know where it was then.  This made answering "where are they now?" more difficult.  That story can be followed http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/buffalo-arms_topic6603.html" rel="nofollow - here .

Buffalo Arms was incorporated 8 November 1940 as a division of U.S. conglomerate Houdaille-Hershey for the purpose of making Royal Air Force machine guns.   Funding to the tune of $5.5 million came from the British Purchasing Commission based in Washington D.C.

 Land was purchased in Cheektowaga, NY, a town along the rail lines just to the east of Buffalo. Plans for the factory were ready by the end of January 1941 and construction began right away.  The steel framed main building was designed with a distinctive saw-toothed roof covered with large interlocking tongue and groove concrete slabs. On April 15 The Buffalo Evening News reported the building was completed and Buffalo Arms would begin taking applications for workers.

Aerial photo of new plant in April 1942 (labels added). 



While construction was proceeding, property and equipment ownership transferred to the Defense Plant Corporation (DPC). This was part of a larger plan where the British transferred their investments in American production to the US owned Reconstruction Finance Corporation (R.F.C.).  DPC would remain the property owner throughout Buffalo Arms's occupancy.

A feature of the factory not visible on the outside was an underground range connected to the basement.   On July 12, 1941 the papers reported on the first production machine gun tested ceremony.

View of test operator at the range (left) and (right) a worker showing before and after machining.  Buffalo Evening News photo page Nov 27 1941.

The plant continued in production, presumably adding carbine barrels and other items, through January 1945.   That Spring some equipment was packed up to be ready for future use, while other machinery was sold and shipped out.

  At the end of 1945 the property itself was sold to American Machine and Foundry. American Machine and Foundry intended to use the plant for producing an bowling pin resetter in 1946.   While they did produce some, supply and other woes delayed getting this new design into full production that year.  However they were able to make use the facility for development of their baking equipment.  By the mid 1950s AMF had a new design for the bowling pin setter that was in full production, presumably at this facility. 

Google Map Satellite



Marty Black has provided some recent exterior photos in the other thread which I'll add below.
First is probably the administrative office building. Seen looking northward along Kennedy Rd.

Second looking East toward the factory

Credit to Dan Pinto and Marty Black for much of the research.
Hopefully this is just a start on unravelling the history of this plant.
It should be noted that the Buffalo Evening News (6 Jan 1941) credited the factory design to https://www.buffaloah.com/a/archs/wolfe/wolfe.html" rel="nofollow - G Morton Wolfe
Amongst Wolfe's many designs he is credited with the https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Former_Houde_Engineering_Company_office_building,_Buffalo,_New_York_-_20211212.jpg" rel="nofollow - Houde Engineering offices in Buffalo, NY.


Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Mar 28 2023 at 7:20pm
Wright Brothers Factory
Dayton Ohio
March 26, 2023
At about 2:30 am Sunday the Dayton Fire Department responded to the iconic factory where the Wright Brothers built airplanes and later occupied by the Inland Division of General Motors, where during the war produced the most M1 carbines during World War II.

 


The building is listed on the National Historic Register and the oldest airplane manufacturing facility in the world. It housed the National Aviation Heritage Area.

Firefighters battled the blaze for more than 14 hours to bring it under control. No injuries were reported.



The future of the building is uncertain.

Pictures by WHIOTV7 staff photographer Thomas Hamlin.

Thanks to our resident retired Inland employee, Ron Dalhamer, for letting us know.



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Posted By: jeepwm69
Date Posted: Mar 29 2023 at 11:30am
Sad.  More pics here.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/future-wright-company-factory-dayton-225849598.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/future-wright-company-factory-dayton-225849598.html


Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: May 01 2023 at 7:32pm
Update from Ron on the Wright/Inland factory

http://www.whio.com/news/local/city-commission-approves-contract-with-developer-wright-brothers-factory/QRBUG5MDMVDOLFVTKRG5VNQ6UI/" rel="nofollow - https://www.whio.com/news/local/city-commission-approves-contract-with-developer-wright-brothers-factory/QRBUG5MDMVDOLFVTKRG5VNQ6UI/


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Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Aug 06 2023 at 11:58am
Another Update from Ron, They are getting $4 million to rehab the factory

http://www.whio.com/news/local/4-million-funding-may-be-coming-assist-restoration-fire-damaged-wright-brothers-factory/QZGOUBQTXBFBHN3N6URICXWVTI/" rel="nofollow - https://www.whio.com/news/local/4-million-funding-may-be-coming-assist-restoration-fire-damaged-wright-brothers-factory/QZGOUBQTXBFBHN3N6URICXWVTI/


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Posted By: GotSnlB28
Date Posted: Dec 30 2023 at 11:11am
More on Rugg. I needed a new snow shovel, and low and behold when I went shopping at the home improvement center I saw several models of Rugg snow shovels! They were best quality ones on the rack - still made in USA! I own one now. Note that Rugg moved from Greenfield to Leominster when it was sold in 2013.



Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Dec 30 2023 at 11:48am
The original Rugg factory on Newton street in Greenfield that I showed in an earlier post in February is gone now. It was demolished to make way for a "storage unit facility".



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Posted By: jsmoth
Date Posted: Jan 02 2024 at 6:01pm
These photos are an incredible piece of history.  Thanks for all the work and for posting for the rest of us to enjoy.  As an IBM carbine owner I really enjoyed the photos of the IBM plant, but all the other photos of manufacturing locations were very enjoyable.  This is the type of input that makes being a part of this club fun.  Thanks again!  jsmoth


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Posted By: Sawbones
Date Posted: Jan 03 2024 at 10:29am
Page 1, desk 15 image:She's already stamped the object.  She's simply placing the object onto a ramp so the object will slide down the ramp to the de-burring desk.  Note the pile of objects at the lower end of the ramp.



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Posted By: painter777
Date Posted: Jan 03 2024 at 3:02pm
Station 15: Stamping letter code on Trigger Housings?

Thx SawBones

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