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 Topic: Unreferenced mag makerPosted: Apr 28 2024 at 2:19am |
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Hi,
A french fellow has asked us about an intouched pack of mags. No idea about the marking. Northwest Metal Co. made Garand clips. But did not find anything about the Carbine, neither Michel F.(old club member)    Edited by New2brass - May 01 2024 at 4:02pm |
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Posted: Apr 28 2024 at 7:42am |
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Very interesting indeed! Garand clips were marked NM. They had what looks like 3 contracts for them I see no contract that would suggest magazine, but the reporting was $50,000 or over to be reported. I see no marking in my my list of unknowns that would match, except the possibility of the magazines being unmarked. I am guessing none were opened to see a marking? I would be very interested in one of these if they are available.
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Posted: Apr 28 2024 at 9:02am |
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I have done the same with the « unknown » on the list, and no apparent match. None were opened yet, that’s excellent, even if it would help  I am trying to get them, but I am not the only one interested (but he prefers to share, and I have quite a few things to share he’s looking for! I’ll do my best to get them… Pat
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Posted: Apr 28 2024 at 1:53pm |
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what does the back say next to the crossed cannons cartouche? Does that say repacked 08-194?....., which that one doesn't have Northwest metal at the bottom on the front.
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Posted: Apr 28 2024 at 3:07pm |
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Checking that out with him, but it seems, looking at the external appearance, that the line missing is on the repacked one.
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Posted: Apr 28 2024 at 4:52pm |
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Confirmed, missing line on the repacked.
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Posted: Apr 28 2024 at 6:12pm |
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It may be the wax tape over the label, but this has me thinking, there are plenty of re-wraps in wax. I have never seen a maker mark on those. The factory boxes of mags was simple wax paper. Is it possible that Northwest Metal was contracted to check and repackage another companies magazines?
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Posted: Apr 29 2024 at 2:32am |
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May be that, Dan. Actually, I think the only way to go further is to open one. Couldn’t find anything linking carbines to N.M.Co. on the web.
Doing my best to get them, and then I guess I will have to carefully open one, the repacked one I think. Hair dryer to warm it up and unstick the paper…
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Posted: May 01 2024 at 8:28am |
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Thanks to the owner who understands perfectly the researches being made here, these mags will be mine shortly, and I’ll do my best to see what we can learn about.
Taking all ideas about how opening with no damage, looks like some kind of paraffin wax is covering one.
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Following my messages on different French forums, I have received a picture of owned mags still in packages, and quite surprising!!
Here we go… Again a Northwest Metal Co. dated 1943, and 4 Seymour Products. One of the SP is opened, marking (SP) Trying to buy one, explaining the research with the Club, but not ready to sell yet.  |
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Posted: May 01 2024 at 2:27pm |
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The (SP) mags are a direct contract for ordnance. Some collectors don’t appreciate them as not being associated with a prime contractor. I see them in the package online Interesting is another Northwest in wrap. Is it sealed in wax?
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Posted: May 01 2024 at 2:52pm |
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Crazy to think that not one of these has been reported in the U.S.
Hopefully when you get them you can determine if the one that looks to be missing the Midwest Metal Co marking is really marked but just covered by tape? If not marked it may be a totally different manufacturer. As much as I hate to say it you might want to attempt to open the known marked one. It looks like that edge on the packaging is pretty messed up as it is. If that is the back side of the mag then maybe slip a razor blade down the edge in order to lift the wrapping up enough to look in to see and picture the marking. |
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Posted: May 01 2024 at 3:47pm |
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Yes, also sealed in wax
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thinking about the wax. you could probably put the magazine in a low temp oven 37-88°C (100-190F) for a few minutes and just peel open. Hair dryer may work. Resealing would be the same with smoothing the sea. I would be careful with a razor so as not to scratch the mag. Larry had a few that he just tore a hole where the marking was. I guess he could justify it was still in the wrap.
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Posted: May 23 2024 at 9:34am |
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Ok, it’s time. I received them beginning of the week and could finally « open » the paraffined one, as it is the one marked of an unknown maker, the other one having the name missing.
And a bit disappointed as it is a well-know maker inside, IS !! So, I don’t know what to think, it is hard to believe that a Metal Company would just pack mags. Maybe a sub-contract? Some pics. It looks « used » on the picture but it’s just a photo effect with sticky paraffine, it really is brand new! The paraffine was all over, between paper and metal, so very well conserved! we can see on the 2nd picture the amount of paraffin stuck to the paper that was covering the base plate. The last pic is once « resealed » with the original paraffin.     |
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Posted: May 23 2024 at 10:01am |
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And so far, the other packed IS I had were with no sticker on, just the brown paper.
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Ok, my mistake, I was too fast and after reopening and swiping the paraffin, the mags is used!
With marks showing it has been already put on!
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The other one, the repacked, looks glued. The first one, just with hot air, I could open it in a minute. This one, not. And there are 2 stickers to take off
So far the big one needs more than hot air, and I am afraid I won’t be able to reseal it like the first one as there is no paraffin…  |
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Posted: May 23 2024 at 1:00pm |
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Disappointing for sure, but definitely a mystery as to why it is in the Northwest Metal wrapper.
Maybe Dan was on to something with his comment/question from above?
"Is it possible that Northwest Metal was contracted to check and repackage another companies magazines?" |
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Posted: May 23 2024 at 2:15pm |
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Disappointed but the package with paraffin is great, so it will stay like that now, sealed.
I'm wondering about the other one, should I open it or not... The stamp behind is great, but it is a repacked...
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