This Belongs in a Museum...Or a Private Collection

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   Food for thought, 
Few videos from Foreign Weapons addressing Ian's thoughts on items to a museum as well as the costs to put items on display and maintenance.

It Belongs in a Museum! or, "Ian Offends Curators"

Another video on Museums vs Collectors, Ian makes the case why there is a benefit for items being in the hands of the collector

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New2brass Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Moderator Group Dan Pinto, How Can I help Joined: Nov 29 2015 Location: CCC Status: Offline Points: 5527	Post Options Post Reply Quote New2brass Report Post Thanks(1) Quote Reply Topic: This Belongs in a Museum...Or a Private Collection Posted: May 18 2025 at 2:16pm
	Food for thought, Few videos from Foreign Weapons addressing Ian's thoughts on items to a museum as well as the costs to put items on display and maintenance. It Belongs in a Museum! or, "Ian Offends Curators" Another video on Museums vs Collectors, Ian makes the case why there is a benefit for items being in the hands of the collector
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painter777 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Hard Corps Joined: Feb 18 2016 Location: Central MI Status: Offline Points: 2352	Post Options Post Reply Quote painter777 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: May 18 2025 at 3:19pm
	Thx Dan, I've never sold a Carbine. My Wife often mentions after I'm gone the Museum route. I'll show her these videos. By the way my Nephew Jordan works with Ian, traveling all over. It's his dream job. He sends me video of many of the Range sessions he and Ian do all over Europe under brutal conditions. Ch-P777
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Jond41403 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Hard Corps Joined: Feb 21 2021 Location: East Tennessee Status: Offline Points: 874	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jond41403 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: May 18 2025 at 4:36pm
	That's great to hear Jordan is still doing that Charlie! He's at least been at it for 2 or 3 years hasn't he?

painter777 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Hard Corps Joined: Feb 18 2016 Location: Central MI Status: Offline Points: 2352	Post Options Post Reply Quote painter777 Report Post Thanks(1) Quote Reply Posted: May 18 2025 at 5:40pm
	JD, They met at a gun range, both while living in Arizona roughly ~2017. Jordan started as a Range Dog a year later with Ian in 2018 just staying here in the States. Started traveling a few times a year to Europe in 2019 doing Filming and Audio. Short break during Covid and while Ian purchased some properties over there, One being a Castle. Then pretty much full time doing all of the above since. Including shooting those Iron Man Outings in multiple countries. I have the pictures and some video somewhere with both wearing Kilts waddling thru muddy trenches in the bitter cold. Don't recall right now where that one was though. Another video with Jordan wearing a white nurse uniform (lost a bet) that made the cover of a gun/shooters magazine in Europe. Jordan loves it..... I'm Happy for him. We lost his Father last year who had a stroke while on a Ocean Cruise at 64 years old. Total shock to the Family. Ch-P777
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Jond41403 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Hard Corps Joined: Feb 21 2021 Location: East Tennessee Status: Offline Points: 874	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jond41403 Report Post Thanks(1) Quote Reply Posted: May 18 2025 at 6:15pm
	sorry to hear about the loss Charlie. I'm glad he is still living his dream!

painter777 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Hard Corps Joined: Feb 18 2016 Location: Central MI Status: Offline Points: 2352	Post Options Post Reply Quote painter777 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: May 18 2025 at 6:59pm
	Speaking of Museums, People donate items to them, some thinking the items will be there forever like a time capsule. Years back pre ~2010 I seen a listing for C Tip Slings on GB. I don't recall the Buy Now price, but they had more than 1 available. I contacted them and found out it was The National Museum Of The Pacific War in Fredericksberg, Texas. They were clearing out all types of stored Web gear. The guy gave me a Bulk price for C Tips and I purchased the 1 on GB. In turn I Auctioned about 30 to 40 over time on Ebay to recover what I had spent and ended up with roughly 200~ slings. About 10 to 12 I gave to Forum members. They had 100's more C and D along with Stock and Belt Pouches he was pushing at me. I sent a few CC members the word. Just a FWIW Ch-P777 https://www.pacificwarmuseum.org/
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sleeplessnashadow Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: Nov 09 2015 Location: SoCal Status: Offline Points: 1253	Post Options Post Reply Quote sleeplessnashadow Report Post Thanks(1) Quote Reply Posted: May 23 2025 at 6:47am
	Donations to a museum require a bit of homework beforehand to make sure the museum will remain solvent for many years to come and will display what is donated. With the understanding things can change over time, as can the curator in charge. There have been several small museums I would have made donations too, but didn't because of the weaknesses of their curator, funding, displays, etc. Collectors are a definite good option for preserving history. Better than some museums. Preservation is important, but access to the knowledge of the history being preserved is too. This is where the right museum can do what most collectors can't. Which is one reason why we have the websites we have. None of the above options are perfect or all inclusive. We do what we can do in the time we have available and the funds too. This forum is a great way of sharing whatever carbine history anyone has. That knowledge is a big part of what gives a carbine its value. Folks, you know of any other gun show or museum carbine displays please keep this forum and pics in mind. Thanks Charlie ... your help has been a lot and greatly appreciated. Jim
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Smokpole Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Hard Corps Joined: Oct 21 2019 Location: Madison ohio Status: Offline Points: 1484	Post Options Post Reply Quote Smokpole Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: May 23 2025 at 6:08pm
	As we get older, the final disposition of our collections becomes something that we all need to think about. I was in the hospital yesterday for a procedure on my heart. fortunately everything went well and I'm home now, but what could have happened? I've given instructions to both my wife and son what to do if the worst happens. I hope I will have time to handle it properly when the time comes, but who knows. Personal situations like mine make you seriously think about these things. Hopefully I will still be around to bug you guys for quite a few more years, but, one never knows for sure.
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Jond41403 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Hard Corps Joined: Feb 21 2021 Location: East Tennessee Status: Offline Points: 874	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jond41403 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: May 23 2025 at 6:51pm
	That's a very good point smokpole. I'm glad everything went well for you and wish you a speedy full recovery. You'll probably outlast us all haha! Your expertise is needed in this club and forum and I'm sure you'll have many many more happy years ahead of you

painter777 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Hard Corps Joined: Feb 18 2016 Location: Central MI Status: Offline Points: 2352	Post Options Post Reply Quote painter777 Report Post Thanks(5) Quote Reply Posted: May 27 2025 at 5:17pm
	I reached out to a fairly large museum here in Michigan about donating part of my M1 Carbine and Accessories collection. Just to get some opinions, with them knowing this was in part a plan in mind for future estate planning. The Assistant Manager replied by email in confidence. This is why I'm not releasing his name or the museums. And yes, My Wife and I have been long time Donors. But I don't feel like that swayed the advise I received. I recommend everyone considering the Museum route read this and pass along to anyone they know also considering a Museum. "Hello Charlie, 1st, Let me Thank You for your 29 years as a Silver Donor. We've met at a couple fund raisers when I was still in college at the U of M, long ago." "To carry on, Any Museum that would take on such a large number of arms of similar model would likely already have similar examples. It's a game of Cherry Picking. The best, rarest are displayed depending on space while the rest go to deep storage. No matter the artifact it's a cycle that continues like a revolving door." "Many of these artifacts and sorts of things show up very commonly, all sorts of honors and awards, medals, challenge coins, documentation, collections and effects, personal things that any soldier or veteran would have prized greatly. It is usually with their passing, but other times due to theft or loss, that these items enter circulation of the private market. If the next of kin have not been made aware of the relevance of these items prior to the passing of the soldier, often they will see them as trinkets and sell them off based on the price of a similar auction they find, a real tragedy. Sometimes valuables are lost and need to be reunited, but most often, they enter the market because there is no one left that cares." "What else can be done to preserve history? Some might think that "grand-dad's old war stuff" would be safe in a museum, forever protected and maintained in his memory by the museum staff. While this seems logical, in reality, many museums are undersized, underfunded, understaffed and in danger of closure, relocation, and theft of their own. Unless the relic is of particular interest to that museum, many donations will find their way into long term storage, and eventually sold off, or worse yet, disposed of as garbage because of unfortunate circumstances or misunderstandings." "I have seen the long term storage collections of the priceless artifacts here, absolute treasures, but without direct historical relevance to the museum they will almost certainly, at best, languish in storage." "So it is of my opinion, When military historical artifacts are found in the wild (private market) sometimes the person that will be the best caretaker of that item is the one willing to spend their money to purchase it. Any person that does so, is at least in some way keeping the memory of that soldier and his history and the value of that artifact alive." "Lastly, It was the private Collectors with their passion to share their knowledge, that became the birth of the museum as we know it today." I added the Quotes " Ch-P777
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