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Logman 
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 Posted: Jan 27 2019 at 7:41pm |
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Gentlemen, thank you and I’m sorry if I caused firestorm and I really appreciate your help and knowledge!! I’ll take the additional photos and I will probably need help posting so I’ll hit you up on that. Look for me to get more information to you tomorrow. I wish I would have joined the group earlier. Very best regards, Logan
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kro1970
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Posted: Jan 27 2019 at 7:43pm |
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I can't really tell in the pictures if the sight base is overhanging the punch marks but I have seen original appearing early QHMC carbines with both the punch marks on the right side that they used early in production and chisel marks on the four corners. Usually the punch marks catch a little of the sight base and you can see it using a loop. Would be interesting if this is the case. 4.7 is late for Quality to use the punch marks but would be worth a look. The barrel band does have characteristics that are unique to Rock-Ola bands and appears to me to be real
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m1a1fan
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Posted: Jan 27 2019 at 9:16pm |
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Another characteristic of integrity...admitting when one is wrong. As far as similarity goes, I stand corrected on my MR band comments. Went back and looked at pictures of an MR band off a Rock-Ola and I also see many of the same characteristics between the MR marking and the OP's. Other than the thinly stamped M, the marking looks essentially the same. The M on the my Rock-Ola MR band picture is very thinly stamped, but light stamping of the M has been noted in the Rock-Ola review (CCNL 119-5).
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tenOCEE
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Posted: Jan 28 2019 at 9:32am |
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You had the stones to post an opinion. Some of these parts are difficult. Conservatively, what can we determine as real or not based on some of the sketchy pics we sometimes have available? Maybe an 85% surety? Sometimes we can get it wrong when pics aren't good. Logan's were pretty good for me. On CMP the experience level is lessened a bit more than here so don't decide that person who contacted you about your part being bad is right until you post a thread asking if a part is real. Right now I'm not posting about this particular Carbine but sometimes I just shake my head at how people get taken advantage of on that site by experienced members who sell at inflated prices to overly enthusiastic newbys who think nobody there will take advantage of them. You seldom see those sellers on this site. Think about it. I won't tell you who the guy was who helped me on learning sights. I cost him some flip acquisitions and he cost me some money beating him at auction, and I thank him for his guidance. [/highfive]
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Posted: Jan 28 2019 at 12:03pm |
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Some good rule(s) of thumb:
1 If the part is smeared in fresh looking cosmoline, most likely move on from it. 2 Be skeptical, even of the seller has an excellent reputation! 3 Don't be afraid to ask questions of more senior experienced members. 4 Don't necessarily jump at the first original carbine you see, there WILL be others! Take the time to research and ask questions; it could save you money, frustration and even embarrassment. 5 With many things in life, if it looks too good to be true it probably is 6 Research BEFORE you buy if you lack experience! I wish I had when I first started, it would have kept me from many mistakes right off of the bat. Sorry to do a bit of hijacking, back to a worthy subject. |
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chipins
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Posted: Jan 28 2019 at 3:21pm |
I guess im not the only one that has noticed the outrageous prices being asked on the cmp forum. A lot of sellers over there arent doing anybody any favors. Yes, newbies getting abused over there. Im not a fan of that forum anymore. Very little of the intended purpose of that forum going on , the advancement of the shooting sports. If the marketplace went away that forum would be dead. High priced flea market. Love the guys who ask some stupid price for something and drop it 5 bucks every other day for months. Is what it is as they say. |
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welbytwo
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Posted: Jan 28 2019 at 7:35pm |
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so someone thinks is legit, please post a foto showing on a original Inland or Winchester the circular milling marks on a serifed S sight
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tenOCEE
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Posted: Jan 28 2019 at 9:09pm |
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What has that got to do with it? His sight doesn't have circular milling marks.
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welbytwo
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Posted: Jan 28 2019 at 10:44pm |
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look again
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tenOCEE
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Posted: Jan 28 2019 at 10:48pm |
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Don't need to.
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welbytwo
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Posted: Jan 28 2019 at 10:52pm |
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also note how high the lip of sight to top of receiver gap is-spec is way off-show me foto of real sight on a original gun that far off--I am guy who told him it was probably a repro--I have identical sight I bought off ebay from seller who claimed he bought from Numrich 10 years or so ago-I bought because it was serifed S, had a buy it now of 75 which is same he claimed he paid Numrich-it has the wide circle milling marks also and yes I have it on a restored winchester #1000213 as I have not been able to find another yet
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welbytwo
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Posted: Jan 28 2019 at 10:53pm |
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show us a pic of one on a real orig gun
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tenOCEE
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Posted: Jan 28 2019 at 11:06pm |
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I thought it was you when you posted. The sight isn't on an original gun so that base isn't going to be virgin, whether it's fake or real. I saw the gap and it's notable, so is the damage to the receiver on the sides. I've been waiting for the pics of the leaf if it really has the L or it's an anomaly of lighting. With an L, I gotta think the leaf isn't real. That base, I didn't question. The serif S IBM sight I have was posted on CMP during a conversation that Brian was part of and there was no statement by him it's not real, so where does that leave it? It's been through a rebuild. Show pictures or the circular marks. BTW, I wasn't the first to believe the sight is real.
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NewScotlander
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Posted: Jan 28 2019 at 11:11pm |
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tenOCEE
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Posted: Jan 28 2019 at 11:19pm |
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Do we know who built serif S bases? That one is very clean sided (meaning smooth like Square S). The IBM one is smooth too--but rebuild. Was Lyman a sight manufacturer from the beginning?
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Logman
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Posted: Jan 28 2019 at 11:27pm |
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Hello: I took some more photos and I’m just waiting for some help to post. While taking these new photos I noticed that there is NO L on the sight leaf. I keep this carbine in a silicone gun sock so I think in my first photo it was a piece of fuzz that just happened to look like a L. I never even noticed that in the original photo I took but clearly looking under various lighting it’s not there. Regards
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tenOCEE
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Posted: Jan 28 2019 at 11:37pm |
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We're in the **** now Logan.  I'd still love to have that sight if you get to that point.
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kro1970
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Posted: Jan 28 2019 at 11:38pm |
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tenOCEE
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Posted: Jan 28 2019 at 11:48pm |
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LS Supply are circular swirled milling marks, IMO. And those are what you told me are circle marks years ago regarding the Square S sight of infamy. Logan's are rainbow milling. So I think I'm understanding what you're saying about wide circle now.
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welbytwo
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Posted: Jan 28 2019 at 11:53pm |
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I have never seen L&S sell a serif S sight--their milling is real fine and different but is round CNC or whatever it is milling--I think the wide milling was made on older piece of equipment but I know squat about milling
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