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Topic: M1A1 SN Outside the BlockPosted: Feb 26 2025 at 7:26pm |
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From what I'm looking at, the serial number is outside any of the prime contractor's SN blocks. My point of reference is Canfield's book.
6653924 with a barrel date of 12-44 I purchased this high condition Inland "Paratrooper" from the widow of a very high level Air America pilot many years ago. I also have the Remington Rand 1911A1 he carried in the RVN and other places in SEA. I tried to buy his AA 18kt ID bracelet but she would not part with it. The lady gave me a lot of other items of her husband's. But I digress. I'm just curious about this serial number. I suppose Bruce could have made an error in his book, or I could be reading it wrong. The previous owner had many exotic guns and memorabilia, fitting for a spook.
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Posted: Feb 26 2025 at 7:52pm |
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was 13,000 shipped according to Ruth in dec of 44--I have a 689xxxx with a 2-45 barrel--now that is out of the range but it is what it is--a handstamped m1a1 all mint
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Posted: Feb 26 2025 at 7:53pm |
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forgot to ask--is oyurs a handstamped 1 by chance?
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Posted: Feb 27 2025 at 7:45am |
689xxxx would be in Inland's 2nd from last SN block, 6664884-7234883. My 6653924 in not in any assigned block for any of the prime contractors. No hand stamped 1 on the carbine.
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Posted: Feb 27 2025 at 8:49am |
Very interesting, what is your source for serial number blocks? Top of forum page, click the picture, it will bring you to our web pages. Left side Table of Contents, click serial numbers |
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Posted: Feb 27 2025 at 10:11am |
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Source is "Complete Guide to the M1 Garand and the M1 Carbine" by Bruce N. Canfield, pages 281-283
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Posted: Feb 27 2025 at 10:34am |
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I looked through your list of SN blocks and they are the same as Canfield's except NPM, QH and early Inland. What is your source?
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Posted: Feb 27 2025 at 10:52am |
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Tom, your serial # 6659884 falls in Inlands 2nd to last block 6629884-7234883.
If Canfield's book says something different it is either a misprint or an oversight on his part.
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Posted: Feb 27 2025 at 11:00am |
The club has been doing research since 1976, and published in our newsletters. http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/sale-of-ccnl-back-issues-and-quick-index_topic5769.html Research which includes ordnance documents from the National Archives, Armories, correspondence with the actual manufacturers. Most authors on the subject were club members I believe CCNL 357 lists the actual contracts which lists the assigned serial numbers. This info is also in the War Baby series by Larry Ruth, who was a club member.
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Posted: Feb 27 2025 at 11:12am |
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Some more info on serial numbers http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/serial-numbers-to-look-for-and-report_topic1292.html?FID=53&PR=3 This one points out serial ranges that have been assigned but not observed or reported. Some of these numbers have been reported in the following posts, usually marginal gains in highest serial number reported for that block.
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Posted: Feb 27 2025 at 11:21am |
Canfield shows 6219689-6449867 6664884-7234883 7369661-8069660 That is why I believed my carbine was outside any Inland block AND outside other prime contractor's blocks. The gun with this SN obviously exists so Bruce's numbers must be wrong. I'll have to give him a call and straighten him out !!
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Posted: Feb 27 2025 at 12:18pm |
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Looks like Canfield just missed serial # assignments for one of Inland's contracts.
Inland had 2 separate contracts in that serial block, one contract was for 35000 carbines which were assigned serial #'s 6629884-6664883 the other contract was for 480000 carbines which were assigned serial #'s 6664884-7234883.
Edited by W5USMC - Feb 27 2025 at 6:49pm |
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