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LR Collection Richardson Brothers Display

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    Posted: Feb 20 2024 at 11:18am
2024-H
Richardson Brothers Company
Sheboygan Falls
Wisconsin
WW2 Wooden Stock Parts Display

Estimated Value?
Larry was friends with Grafton and Barbra Cook with a full file drawer of documents yet to be gone through. Any provenance related to this piece will be included.

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Display board originally from the Bill Richardson collection and the Larry L. Ruth collection.

According to "The M1 Carbine, A Revolution in Gunstocking" by Grafton H. and Barbara W. Cook There were two Richardson companies, J.S. Richardson and Richardson Brothers Furniture 
Company that were subcontracted to Overton with Inland's permission for 178,000 pistol grips.
J.S. Richardson was the machinery part of the company that built the PLG machine in order to make the pistol grips. The basic routing was done at the machinery plant, as well as routing and drilling of the grip. The PLG made too much sawdust for the machinery factory, so it was sent to the Richardson Bros. Furniture plant to be contoured and finished.

The 3 stock parts made consisted of the hand guard made for the 30-06 M1917 Enfield rifle (2 on the board). A pistol grip marked RI over 3, and an unmarked hand guard

http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/uploads/7129/Richardson2.JPG

The RI over 3 grip is familiar to the M1a1 collectors.  Collectors have also come across unmarked hand guards as well. According to the Grafton book, Richardson Brothers manufactured one million unmarked hand guards for Overton.

http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/uploads/7129/Richardson3.JPG

Richardson also made other wartime stocking machine in addition to machines for the M1 and M1a1 carbines. This included machines for the 1903a3 Springfield and the M1917 Enfield. Special machines were developed for the carrying handle for the Bren machine gun, BAR forearm, Lee Enfield forearm, shoulder stock/holster for the Browning 9mm FN.
Examples are shown on page 145.




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Dan--re: "30-06 M1917 Enfield rifle (2 on the board)", just FYI those two handguards on the pictured board are not from an M1917 (they look like M1903 handguards).

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JP I will have to defer to your knowledge as I have never owned one.
I took the info from the Cooks' book

http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/uploads/7129/Richardson4.jpg

And the next page with all stocks they made machines for and or stocks

http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/uploads/7129/Richardson5.jpg

The one on the board looks to the the top on just above. Do they have the stock types reversed?
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Dan--The top stock definitely looks to be a M1917 stock; however, the M1917 had both an upper and a lower handguard (two separate pieces).  

I believe the top pictured handguard is for a M1903; what the second one--the one without an apparent sighting groove--is for is not clear to me (but am sure it's not for a M1917).

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Originally posted by JP_USAF_Ret JP_USAF_Ret wrote:

Dan--The top stock definitely looks to be a M1917 stock; however, the M1917 had both an upper and a lower handguard (two separate pieces).  

I believe the top pictured handguard is for a M1903; what the second one--the one without an apparent sighting groove--is for is not clear to me (but am sure it's not for a M1917).

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The 1917 does not have an upper and lower handguard, it has two separate pieces for the upper handguard.

The 1917 handguard does not have the step shown in either the display item advertised or the black and white photo. The top handguard in the black and white photo (and I believe the handguards on the display item) appear to be for M1903s. The second handguard in the B&W photo appears to be a 1903A3 handguard, which is longer due to the relocation of the rear sight to the rear receiver ring.
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This item is in the upcoming auction Nov 4, 2024 along with a few items of interest. Commercial carbines. Pistols in .30 carbine.

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The top hand guard is for an 03. The second one is for an 03a3. The groove in the top one allows you to use the low mounted rear sight. The one without the groove is for the 03a3 that has the rear sight on the top of the rear receiver bridge. The 03 guard is shorter than the o3a3 guard.
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See the 3rd post.


Please not that anyone looking at the auction that if you search Larry Ruth you should get two pages of listings, you have to scroll down a little more to get the the second page
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