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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote welbytwo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jul 13 2025 at 5:44pm
I have to say this--tracers are not good target ammo but for training gun safety to your kids or inexperienced shooters they are a godsend on a plinking range--no idea on true target range but when you are shooting at various objects that create ricochets you will never have to explain why guns are dangerous and you should respect them. Having several m2's and a lot of m27 surplus tracer ammo I have watched many a kid or adult wide eyed when they see tracers coming back over them or going all different directions after hitting the plinking targets they were shooting at-it will teach them a new respect for the guns they are just blasting away with and yes yours truly had to call fire department to come put out fire in field of corn caused by errant tracer-there is a reason some ranges do not allow them
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Originally posted by welbytwo welbytwo wrote:

yes yours truly had to call fire department to come put out fire in field of corn caused by errant tracer-there is a reason some ranges do not allow them

Exactly why my tracer ammo is just for looking at and not for shooting. I'm surrounded by a National Forest, Smokey Bear would not be happy!Big smile
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The ones I have fired which are probably maybe a little over a couple dozen we're all in the snow at an enormous dirt mound. I'm too afraid to shoot them in the summertime because of fires. I chose the snow because  of course safety issues being harder to catch fire and if you use them at dusk right as the sun is starting to completely fade but is still light out, and there is good snow cover on the ground, they are beautiful to see.
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Initial post has been updated due to information in follow ups as well as outside sources.
The M1/M2 carbine spoon part number 8448478 and the clips 8448480

The 5.56 (M16) spoons are 11010484 and the clip 11010483
The spoon is too wide/big for the carbine magazines.  
The clip section is a little loose for .30 carbine ammo, but should be able to hold ammo as the rim difference is something like .08 between the 5.56 and the .30 carbine

Has anyone tried to see if a 5.56 clip will fit a carbine spoon?

So for those looking for the M1/M2 carbine clips, be sure you know what you are getting


Edited by New2brass - Jul 22 2025 at 3:46pm
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I have noticed that the G.G.G. 5.56 spoons mentioned in the original post (and also in the recently updated post) fit the plastic Magpul PMAG better than it does the original metal magazines, almost as if they were designed just for PMAG. They will actually easily slip off of the metal 5.56 magazines during loading whereas the P-mag has a groove that holds it tightly.   
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Yes, Jack they are a bit of a sloppy fit on the metal M16 mags but I think that mine were acquired before PMAGs were ever used or issued. 

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Originally posted by New2brass New2brass wrote:

The clip section is a little loose for .30 carbine ammo, but should be able to hold ammo as the rim difference is something like .08 between the 5.56 and the .30 carbine

Has anyone tried to see if a 5.56 clip will fit a carbine spoon?

Pictures below are 10 dummy carbine rounds on a 10 round 5.56 stripper clip. Note the length of the stripper it is longer than a 30-carbine stripper but not enough for an 11th round. The carbine rounds do fit but are very loose and with the slightest side pressure will fall out of the clip. 
As far as the 5.56 stripper fitting a M1 carbine spoon it is very tight, and I am not even sure you could force it all the way onto the spoon. 






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Side note.  GG Greene and SEY also made M14/M1A (7.62x51) spoons and clips.  I have both.  The spoons look like the 5.56 spoons without the indent and are wider.  
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Here's a pic of the M14 magazine charger (spoon) mentioned above.

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Here is a picture for comparison of the .30 caliber carbine, 5.56, and 7.62x51 spoons and clips.  


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very cool comparison pic snippity!
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I was rummaging thru some more of my carbine stuff today and I found a carbine clip that I didn't know I had, I've got nearly a hundred of them and only this one is marked. it is a GGGreen It is marked on both the spoon and the stripper. So I was wrong. I actually had a marked one.....but just one!
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At a gun show today someone was selling enblock clips, in there was a BLM marked clip.
Does anyone know who made them and in what time frame?
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BLM marked enbloc

According to M1 Garand's Enbloc Markings List:

BLM - Barry L Miller Eng Inc Irvine, CA (WW2)

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I checked my notes and from looking into Barry L Miller I see no WW2 contracts, but that may just be that contracts were under the reporting threshold.

Incorporation papers show 1958. However they could have been in business before incorporating. 
They are listed in the ammunition class for ordnance in several different California locations from the 70s through 80s. 

Newspapers, the earliest mention I found was 1955. They were located in Hawthorn. 
First mention of other location I find is 1972 Santa Ana.
1974 is the first mention of Irvine CA. HOWEVER Santa Ana and Irvine are the same street address.

Interesting is that in 1987 Mr Miller became VP of (GIW) Green International West, which was started to take over the defunct (IDP) International Defense Products In Oceanside. 
BLM became IDP. 

GIW was formed by Craig Green of Warren PA. His family is G.G. Green Enterprises in Pennsylvania. 

1984 newspaper stated BLM is a 26 year old defense contractor and moving from Irvine to Ocean side

Interesting the connections, but the point being, was BLM producing in WW2, and if they made the carbine stripper clips, when?




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Originally posted by Matt_X Matt_X wrote:

at 5:50 in the video when Mize describes getting to the BAR man with bandoliers filled with the new 10 round carbine clips.    That action was June 10-11, 1953 at "Outpost Harry" Surang-ni, Korea.  So that provides some sense of how long it took for the clips to get implemented and sent to front line troops.


Returning to the question when.  Clearly strip clips were implemented in conjuntion with carbine ammo going into bandoleers.  So the markings on spam cans and packing crates can provide some additional evidence as to when clipped ammo started getting manufactured.
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As of the 1947 TM9-1990, the only package listed for carbine ammunition ammunition is 50 round cartons.  In contrast, 30 cal rifle and machine gun ammunition was packed in cartons, 5 round clips in bandoliers, 8 round clips in bandoliers, or a 275 round metal linked belt.    (pages 32-33)

There are only two types of bandoliers listed, the M1906 which has room for two 5-round clips per pocket, and the M1 bandolier which can hold the same or a "carton with one 8-round clip" per pocket.
(p. 34)

It seems pretty safe to say that carbine ammo was not being issued on stripper clips at time of publication.
TM9-1990 Small-Arms Ammunition, War Dept., Sept 1947, GPO 1948
Inside it states effect date of information is 23  April 1947.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote welbytwo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan 04 2026 at 10:02am
patent for the mag attachment and stripper was not filed till spring of 1947 and not granted till 1949
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Just used a clip of Korean surplus PSD 86, out of PSD 86 marked bandoleer and ammo can.
The two remaining clip assemblies in this bandoleer have S.M. spoons and no marking on the ammo clip.  These spoons do not have a dot indent. 

Originally posted by Snippity4 Snippity4 wrote:

Three bandoleers of Korean 1980 head stamp dated .30 carbine.  All the spoons and clips are SM marked.  Interesting in that the SM is marked differently on the spoons and clips.  The spoons are marked S.M (no period after the M) and the clips are marked SM.  The font is different between the two. 


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