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    Posted: Mar 02 2025 at 11:40am

When we were just a newsletter it would bring in new members, however the vast majority were joining just for the affiliation and rarely contributed to the club. This created constant work on our secretary who would have to add and remove people from the list as may did not renew membership once they got whatever they wanted to order.

Back in 2016 when we brought the forum online I was advised to consider dropping the CMP affiliation.
Being that we no longer had to publish and mail newsletters there was no longer any dues charged. This in turn made the CMP affiliation a free benefit. The cost associated with CMP affiliation was reasonable. However the cost of the PO Box steadily grew to $180 a year. Both costs I paid out of my own pocket  for the benefit of all. 

In the past 9 years I can say that it was sage advice to consider dropping the affiliation. I receive weekly emails of people joining and not reading the EULA nor the minimal requirements to get on the CMP affiliation list. Some demand immediate access, some get indignant that they had to provide information that is required for the CMP. the vast majority could care less about the carbine and never made a single post.
Then there is having to fix all of the information that is put in the fields incorrectly.

With everything I am trying to do, the membership approvals have become a time suck.

The CMP has on more than one occasion failed to send the yearly notice, which could be as late as May of that year. I recently contacted by the CMP saying that the our status is "delinquent" meaning the yearly forms were not submitted. Checking the club email I see all of the regular mailings, but never received the 2024 renewal notice.

Yes I could have been more proactive, but I have been having a hell of a year and CMP was not high on my list.

Currently the club cannot be used for CMP purchases.

I am putting it out to the membership for a compelling reason to keep the affiliation, but before you demand it understand:

Someone may have to stand up and handle the roster. this includes being familiar with databases and EXCEL and using comma delineated separation and going line by line to correct input errors. Then deleting unnecessary columns.
Who ever is doing this will have access to to everyone's information, so vetting would be required. 

There would most likely have to be a fee system to cover the costs. And to keep people joining just for the affiliation at bay it might have to be little higher.

In the meantime, If you were military you are already eligible.
There are a great many clubs and ranges that offer affiliation, though most require shooting participation.
The Garand Collectors Association puts out a full color newsletter and gives CMP access, though there is a wait period as they too get people looking for instant gratification.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Smokpole Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar 02 2025 at 12:17pm
It doesn't bother me if you decide not to continue the affiliation. I'm a member of OGCA which is an affiliate. My R7G club is also an affiliate. Plus I have been a shooter at the Nationals occasionally for years. Why should you go through all of that for folks who only want to be able to make purchases but don't want to contribute. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote welbytwo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar 02 2025 at 12:24pm
being a member of the big brother garand group should be a requirement if you want to continue your ability to do the CMP thing, the newsletter they send out is probably worth the cost if you are wanting ability to buy anything from CMP--its not like they have carbines for sale reasonably priced on the auction-mostly just big boy guns
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jearlky Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar 02 2025 at 3:09pm
I agree with the rest.  It don't matter to me if you don't rejoin the CMP affiliation.  I am a new member here to learn what I can about the m1 carbine.  By the way awesome site.
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100% AGREE!!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote painter777 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Mar 02 2025 at 5:53pm
Drop It.
The few running this site already have too much on their plates.

I'm in favor of making Donations at the least Voluntary.

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I may be one of the few regular posters who has used the CMP affiliation for purchases.   I've bought a bore reflector, a barracks rod, and one lot of LC carbine ammo.   That said, I can't see the value in the CCC maintaining affiliation with CMP at this time.  

Its has no bearing on my particpating in the forum, or in the local Service Rifle Matches.  It was a nice fringe benefit for a couple items. 
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Another kicker - for a number of years now I have had to manually send my GCA membership info to CMP in order to purchase from e-store (I've been a member since 2010 and never had it lapse, and always authorize the release of my membership to CMP). In the times a purchase has been rejected they did not have my CCC membership on file. My assumption is that it's not just me.
I don't think anyone should expect this benefit for free.
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I'm obviously a new member, but I certainly didn't join for any CMP affiliation, heck I'm not even sure they allow carbines in any of their events! At any rate, my opinion doesn't hold a lot of weight but if people are joining just to get a CMP status, they're joining for the wrong reasons 
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I don't post often, but read every day.   The amount of info here is staggering, and there is so much here to learn that I check the boards often.

I'm an admin on another forum (ATV's) and we created our own board several years ago after all the old boards were bought out and ruined by a company called Verticalscope.   We are free to join, ad free, and much like this board, mostly comprised of guys who are just super interested in the topic.

I joined here before I realized that joining opened the door to CMP affiliation.    Once I realized that, I was fortunate enough to get on the list and get a can of 30 Carbine ammo from the CMP (one order per year for two years gave me most of a can) so I have benefited from this site and the CMP affiliation.

That said, having been on the OTHER side of things on the forums, it should absolutely not just be a "join, benefit, and not contribute" situation.   Work is required.  Expenses are incurred.  

I would say that IF POSSIBLE, keep the CMP affiliation, but require at least an annual membership fee if one wants that affiliation.    I'm on other boards that are free to join, view, and post, but paying members get perks like being able to directly post pics (vs having to embed links).   There are "members only" sections as well.   Most are $25-50/ year.  

If that's not an option, the drop the CMP affiliation.  People can join other clubs of they want to buy from the CMP.   I live in the boonies so joining a local club isn't an option, but I can join the garand collectors club if I want to be able to buy from the CMP.  

It's a nice perk for people here who really want to collect and/or shoot their carbines, but it should absolutely not be something for people to take advantage of, and it sounds like that's what is happening.

Thank you for having this place, hosting it, and giving us a place to talk carbines.  Facebook and Verticalscope have killed off so many forums, and this format is much better than social media.
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Looks like the GCA is $35 a year.  You should be charging that here if people want to continue the CMP affiliation here, and that's only if you find someone willing to do the paperwork.

Use that money for the site IT expenses, or pay the person doing the admin work, or a combination of the two.    Or let members vote and donate it.

But it shouldn't just be "free" here.  Again, my "from the hip" opinion on the matter.
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Originally posted by SuribachiCarbine SuribachiCarbine wrote:

... CMP affiliation, heck I'm not even sure they allow carbines in any of their events!

Yes they do, in two ways.
First there is a Carbine Match.  It's listed in the rules, and run at Camp Perry and similar events.
Second is when clubs allow carbines to shoot in their local matches. 
Some of these can be found through the Competition Tracker search:
Select Carbine under type of match and some clubs will show up.  That's how I found the club where I attend the monthly matches. 
Since the club shoots the match at 100 yds, the carbine is not really at the same disadvantage as when shooting 200 yds.  People will shoot Springfields, Enfields, Krags and Unlimited M1 and each gets listed on the tracker under the closest appropriate catagory.  Looking at the one time I won, it was reported under Garand Match Course.  (The club itself just notes overall winner, and 1st and 2nd after winner. ) 

The club needs CMP affiliation to run and sanction the event, but participation is open to the public. 

I was reporting my results in this thread (which has meandered from my endevours to other peaples,  to discussions about matches.  Smile  ) 
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A little clarification.  Kimberton's monthly match is an "as-issued" service rifle match on the 100 yard range that allows any of the Krag through M1 rifles and the M1 carbine.  This is different than the carbine only match. 
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     I browse the CCC website periodically and when I do I find many discussions to fill my time.  I joined CCC in early October 2023 after reading an article in Guns & Ammo about rebuilding the M1 carbine.  I have one that I purchased in late November 1990, and I became interested in how many parts were IBM since my carbine was marked IBM on barrel and receiver.  That's the background. 
    While reading articles on the website, I discovered that the 1911A1 were available again and that CCC membership filled the requirement for belonging to a club or shooting organization.  I immediately filled out the necessary forms and submitted my application to the CMP.  After about a 1.5 year wait I finally received a 1911A1.  Today I received a message from the CMP about progress of selling the 1911.  Since I had tried to purchase several M1 Carbine bore reflectors, but couldn't locate any verification that the CCC was a qualified organization, I just gave up on the bore reflectors.  Today I tried again to determine if the CCC was a qualified organization and learned that it is no longer affiliated.  I read the posts and replies and learned CCC and  I have the following comments.
     First, I did not join the CCC with any intention of dealing with the CMP, but the benefit was an added bonus that paid off for me.  I realize now the effort for someone to maintain the required records is a real hardship on their time and requires a cost that is not covered.  I think the CCC should charge the membership a fee for maintaining CMP affiliation, and that a member must be associated with CCC for some amount of time to claim association to fulfill a CMP requirement.  I also think the person who fulfills the duties of maintaining CMP affiliation should be paid some amount in appreciation for time spent.
    I was an editor of a peer reviewed journal for 5 years and the editors of this journal did receive a small stipend.  The amount did not begin to cover frustration or time involved, but it did provide a small thank you from the journal membership.  So in summary, if someone is willing to take on the effort to maintain CMP affiliation then that person should be paid.  A time requirement for membership in CCC should also be necessary to prevent joining just to fulfill a CMP requirement.
     I appreciate being able to purchase a 1911 from CMP due to my membership in the CCC, and I think it was a very nice benefit of belonging to CCC in addition to the great website that I enjoy reading and corresponding with some of the members.  I would also use the affiliation to purchase carbine ammo and such items as bore reflectors.





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Hi JSMOTH,

I'll respond to your suggestion, because the CCC's manager (Dan Pinto) is buried in his many CCC duties. The quick answer is that the CCC made the decision to cease affiliation with the CMP.

The CCC is managed by only a few guys, all volunteers, and no one has the time nor inclination to be the CCC's "membership dues and CMP affiliation" manager.

There are other more-important duties in the CCC which lack dedicated volunteers. And there is no means of paying anyone who spends his time and effort helping the CCC. We sell back-issues of the (former) Carbine Club newsletters to pay our website's internet server fees and other administrative costs. No one is getting paid anything.

Now, if you or anyone reading this is willing to manage the "membership dues and CMP affiliation" program, Dan Pinto may take this offer under further consideration.

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