3 Digit SN Early 1942 Inland

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   Here'a a better pic of this Very Early Inland Trigger Housing Mag Well. Notice the two distinct different Milling cuts - Vertical at the bottom and Horizontal at the top. As far as I can see on the known 3 digit Inlands that Ive seen pics of that were made after this one, this dual milling process must have only been done of the first 300 or so before they changed it.  Fascinating!

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HammerGrunt Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Grunt Joined: Aug 05 2021 Location: Florida Status: Offline Points: 542	Post Options Post Reply Quote HammerGrunt Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Aug 13 2021 at 10:35pm
	Here'a a better pic of this Very Early Inland Trigger Housing Mag Well. Notice the two distinct different Milling cuts - Vertical at the bottom and Horizontal at the top. As far as I can see on the known 3 digit Inlands that Ive seen pics of that were made after this one, this dual milling process must have only been done of the first 300 or so before they changed it. Fascinating!

HammerGrunt Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Grunt Joined: Aug 05 2021 Location: Florida Status: Offline Points: 542	Post Options Post Reply Quote HammerGrunt Report Post Thanks(1) Quote Reply Posted: Aug 17 2021 at 3:00pm
	I was just very fortunate to spend an hour sitting with kroh1970 in Tampa. Ken graciously took my Bolt apart and gave me an amazing education on both the history and function of the Bolt and several other pieces / parts of this early Inland. He confirmed that the Bolt has all Type 1 pieces and that none of them have any maker markings or stamps on them. All they have is a single hardness dimple on them. He's convinced this is the Bolt that came out of production with its S/N 270 barrelled receiver. He also said that he hadn't seen the large P on the left side of the Trigger Housing where typically there's a flaming bomb proof. He also said the P on the top of my 5-42 barrel is larger than others he had seen. Thank you Ken for the education and the camaraderie!

HammerGrunt Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Grunt Joined: Aug 05 2021 Location: Florida Status: Offline Points: 542	Post Options Post Reply Quote HammerGrunt Report Post Thanks(1) Quote Reply Posted: Aug 17 2021 at 3:48pm
	Early Inland Bolt Parts;

SSNPingjockey Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List On Point Joined: Mar 07 2020 Location: NC Status: Offline Points: 225	Post Options Post Reply Quote SSNPingjockey Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Aug 17 2021 at 4:58pm
	I couldn’t clearly discern from prior bolt photos if it had the added “web” on the underside of the extractor forward of the main lug, but in these photos, it looks like it does have the web. I know in the CCC parts section, it says that the web was added by mid-1942, but was curious to see how this bolt was. They were shearing bolts/lugs prior to adding that reinforced area. Can you clarify if the web is, in fact, present? Thanks!
	Chad USN Retired

HammerGrunt Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Grunt Joined: Aug 05 2021 Location: Florida Status: Offline Points: 542	Post Options Post Reply Quote HammerGrunt Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Aug 17 2021 at 5:47pm
	It has the reinforced material on the bolt. War Baby Vol 1 (around Pg 86 I think) states that the web reinforcing had already been done to its "production" bolts which started at SN 100 and mine is SN 270 and therefore would have had the web reinforcement when it was made. (bolded text below is mine). Thanks to Marcus Rust for sharing this page of War Baby Vol 1 with me :-) "The first test was authorized on May 29 and held on June 8 to 13, 1942. Five Carbines, Inland nos. 112, 116, 122, 126, and 169, were selected at random from among first production models. These had been modified as a result of the April, 1942 'fire to destruction' tests, and now embodied two major improvements: the bolt had an added strengthening web between the right locking lug an the body of the bolt, and the operating slide was strengthened at the point where the rod meets the slide.The bolt lock was also improved." So according to the WB information, Inlands Bolts made for their production models beginning at SN 100 had the web modification already done to them and the bolts that didn't have the reinforced modified webs would have the ones used in SN's 1-99 - if I'm reading this information from WB right. Edited by HammerGrunt - Aug 17 2021 at 6:16pm

SSNPingjockey Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List On Point Joined: Mar 07 2020 Location: NC Status: Offline Points: 225	Post Options Post Reply Quote SSNPingjockey Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Aug 17 2021 at 6:48pm
	Gotcha. Good info. I was thinking the earliest in production may have had the non-web bolts, but even if they had, would have likely been quickly replaced due the issue anyway. Thanks for the info.
	Chad USN Retired

HammerGrunt Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Grunt Joined: Aug 05 2021 Location: Florida Status: Offline Points: 542	Post Options Post Reply Quote HammerGrunt Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Aug 17 2021 at 7:28pm
	Just about everyone that I’ve told about how early this Inland is with its original non rearsenaled parts has asked the same question you did about it having the web modification or not :-) If anyone did find one of those unmodified Bolts from the first 99 Carbines Inland made for testing and evaluation - that would be one rare, rare, Bolt indeed ! What’s funny to me is last week when Bruce Dow got to where he took the Bolt out of the Receiver I immediately asked him if he could tell if the bolt had the reinforced web or not, he glanced up at me across the counter looking over his spectacles with a ~your interrupting my inspection~ look and said, “yes, yours has the reinforced section because the Inland Bolts without the reinforcement were only on the test Bolts and yours is a very early production bolt”... like I was such an newbie recruit for even asking the Master such a question😂 I’m sure it probably made his day, and I was just so excited to be hearing anything that came out of his mouth about this amazing little carbine!

kro1970 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List On Point Joined: Jan 01 2016 Location: Central Florida Status: Offline Points: 334	Post Options Post Reply Quote kro1970 Report Post Thanks(1) Quote Reply Posted: Aug 17 2021 at 8:32pm
	Had the pleasure to look at and take down Hammergrunt's early Inland. Definitely a very interesting carbine. Except for the stock and hammer it looks like when it left the factory.

HammerGrunt Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Grunt Joined: Aug 05 2021 Location: Florida Status: Offline Points: 542	Post Options Post Reply Quote HammerGrunt Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Aug 17 2021 at 9:24pm
	Something that Ken showed me that I didn't even know that I had was an Early type Op Rod that has a tapered end on it. Thanks Ken for pointing it out to me!

HammerGrunt Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Grunt Joined: Aug 05 2021 Location: Florida Status: Offline Points: 542	Post Options Post Reply Quote HammerGrunt Report Post Thanks(1) Quote Reply Posted: Aug 17 2021 at 10:32pm
	Ken also verified that the Front sight housing and blade had no marking anywhere and he said it looked like neither had ever been removed, and Front Sight Blade was its Original blade.

HammerGrunt Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Grunt Joined: Aug 05 2021 Location: Florida Status: Offline Points: 542	Post Options Post Reply Quote HammerGrunt Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Aug 17 2021 at 10:52pm
	Hey, I'm a very weathered Marine - so Still Learning nomenclature... I know, its a Recoil Spring Guide (not an Op Rod :-)

HammerGrunt Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Grunt Joined: Aug 05 2021 Location: Florida Status: Offline Points: 542	Post Options Post Reply Quote HammerGrunt Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Aug 19 2021 at 4:55pm
	I'm just so Honored to be able to have such knowledgeable M1 Carbine Collectors like Bruce Dow and kro1970 handle and take apart my very early Inland in order to help school me on its History, Function, and uniqueness as compared to the next 6.1 Million that were made after it :-)