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painter777
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Posted: Dec 10 2024 at 4:43pm |
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Wayne,
I just have a hard time believing that marking is a Museums system aka 'old catalog number'. But I'll let it go at that. I'd believe they received it that way though. It is a very nice Carbine and agree with Marcus. One of the finest I've seen from the CMP Program. Ch-P777
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Posted: Dec 11 2024 at 1:34pm |
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Wayne,
Thanks much for getting the info from CMP. Marty, Dan, and I had been discussing the possibility the COE marking was from an Army Museum when you posted the CMP info. Obviously, the meaning of the COE letters and numbers are all just a guessing game. Who might know more is an army museum archivist. Regarding the Corps of Engineer's museum... I think the Engineers museum at Fort Belvoir may no longer exist. I don't know if it was absorbed by the National Museum of the U.S. Army when it was opened on Fort Belvoir, or if it's holdings were transferred to the Engineers museum at Ft Leonard Wood. During some kind of base re-alignment sometime in the past 25 years, part of the archives of the Engineers was physically moved to the basement of the library at Ft Leonard Wood, where, 5 years ago, it still sat unorganized in boxes as no one funded the help to organize it all. I was able to get the help of a volunteer there to hand search those boxes for infrared scope docs but his time was limited. He found one of the most important docs we have before he had to stop. The Engineers museum at Ft Leonard Wood doesn't appear to have a full time staff. Their website is pretty minimal. Searching the internet for pics inside the museum, a visitor had posted the pic below on Google maps in April 2022. A couple things on the carbine in the pic are pretty unique. Enough so we suspect it may be a presentation carbine. Unfortunately the image and placard do not show the serial number. ![]() ![]() If you get a chance to visit perhaps you could have a look-see and snap a few more pics. Thanks much Jim |
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Posted: Dec 11 2024 at 3:18pm |
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Will do Jim, like I said I will stop by the next time I am on post, usually go there a couple times a month picking up meds or shopping at the commissary. With Christmas coming up it will likely be after the new year. We used to use the auditorium at the museum often for graduations and promotion ceremonies when I was with the Marine Detachment, just didn't do a lot of looking at the displays.
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Posted: Dec 11 2024 at 7:16pm |
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Now that someone pointed it out, yes that was a common identification method used for collections. Most of my photos are not digitized, but I do have a few floppy disk camera pictures on my computer of axes and shovels and spades with the same type of label. As far as the naming system went, it usually was up to the museum curator to pick a standard and make it fit the needs of the collection. That changed later in an attampt for more uniformity throughout an agency or department as collections got digitized. Photo attachment temporary. ![]() |
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welbytwo
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Posted: Dec 11 2024 at 7:29pm |
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yeah--that carbine does not have USGI issued finish on the wood
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Posted: Dec 11 2024 at 7:32pm |
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the question is if a presentation! The owner could have altered. Not uncommon. Question is why is it on display?
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Posted: Dec 11 2024 at 10:00pm |
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As to the carbine on display at Fort Leonard Wood and why, maybe for a similar reason CMP is auctioning another presentation. Someone didn't want it or inherited it and didn't realize it was a gift to the person, not to the army. Some may have thought it unethical to accept a presentation for themselves when the work they did was for the army. Maybe, maybe, maybe. :)
Over the years I've seen maybe a dozen smaller museums use whiteout and a 3 or 4 digit number for their inventory numbers. The origin of the one on the carbine being auctioned by CMP could be something different. Just similar to what I've seen. All of the U.S. Army Museums are under the command of the organization that runs the U.S. Army Center of Military History. The past 20 years or so they've been digitizing a ton of documents and books. Also consolidating artifacts as museums are closed and organizations are realigned. During a visit to the Rock Island Armory Museum about 11 years ago the curator related the Center was changing all of the museum artifact inventory numbers to a centralized master inventory system and planned on centralizing the various archives to one location. She indicated all the curators get together once yearly at the Center and the next meet she was expecting to hear more about where their archives were going. I just remembered to check the pics I took during that RIA visit.... ![]() RIA had a three ring binder with info on each gun on display, organized by those 4 digit inventory numbers seen above, All numbers in the binder were preceded by the letters RIA. ![]() One possibility, and obviously not the only possibility, for the carbine being auctioned by CMP is it became in excess of needed inventory during changes being made by the Center. Example being all the artifacts that were previously on display at the Ordnance museum in Aberdeen were not all moved to Fort Lee in VA. Same for all artifacts in the main Signal Corps museum at Fort Gordon in GA when it was closed. One of our Club members tried to contact the Center for general museum info maybe about a year ago. They couldn't get a response. Jim |
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Posted: Dec 14 2024 at 8:33am |
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It ended up selling for 10K which is a bit higher than my limit was
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Posted: Jan 17 2025 at 8:40pm |
Stopped by the Engineer Museum aboard Fort Leonard Wood (FLW) today. They do have a full-time staff, but I really didn't manage to get a lot of info yet, one of the women I met with (I believe the inventory control manager?) will be able to get some answers eventually but she just started working at FLW last week and she did not even have her computer or access to their system yet. Once she is up and running, she is supposed to give me a call with some info (serial #, where/who it came from ect..) on the carbine currently on display there. I did find out that Inland X92 was never at Fort Leonard Wood, I showed the staff a picture of the catalog # (COE 8257) and they all suggested the COE stood for Corps of Engineers. The museum at FLW is a Combat Engineer Museum not the Corps of Engineers Museum. Will update if and when I get more info, in the meantime here are a few not very good pictures of the FLW display. It was just far enough away in the display case that I couldn't zoom in with my blackberry on the serial, receiver marking or barrel markings. ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Posted: Jan 17 2025 at 10:15pm |
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Thanks Wayne,
Good to know the museum is specific to the Combat Engineers within the Corps of Engineers. I wonder if the Corps of Engineers has a different museum. Maybe they still have one at Fort Belvoir, or if it was merged with the National Museum of the Army there. Maybe just my eyes, brain, and the limitations of taking a pic through display glass, but it appears this carbine may have letters where the numbers should be. ![]() I need to try to develop another contact in the library at Fort Leonard Wood and see if all those boxes of Engineers R&D records are still in the basement and unsorted. Nice work, Wayne. Jim |
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