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Arsenal rebuild stamp question

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    Posted: Dec 04 2025 at 8:17pm
Several months ago I bought a birch Sprague and Carlson Type IV stock from What a Country.  It was made as a replacement stock.  

On its left side, two inches forward of the start of the slingwell cut, there is a strongly stamped two letters in a rectangular box.  Letters are O. G   No period after the G, and no right side of the box.  I figure both are absent due to the stock's curvature, as the stamp was done at about a 45 degree angle to the bore axis.  

Does anybody know what O. G. in a rectangular box stands for?   I was thinking some rebuild arsenal.  
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Ogden Arsenal (Utah)

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Ogden Arsenal, Ogden, Utah. Read more about postwar arsenal stuff here.

http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/postwar.html
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 As in Ogden, Utah

How long is the barrel channel?
A Type IV would have a channel about 4.15" long
I'll assume you have a Type III with a 3.15" long channel, with a M2 cut?
Don't know if I've ever seen a S&C long channel.

Boxed OGEK on a carbine is a rare find.

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Thanks to all who replied.  

I lucked out with this What a Country stock.  There's a fair amount of flame in the birch.  Overall condition was better than advertised.  The shape of the pistol grip is close to the best I've held (best, is a big potbelly SA) but better than the short and fat grips that are common.  

Best thing is, this stock and its recoil plate combo provide a good 3/8 inch of draw at the front end.  

The stock holds an Underwood receiver with an 11/43 barrel date.  The gun came with a chu wood stock that was real crooked in front.  Haven't needed to burn that one for heat just yet.  Figure a Korean replacement.  

The gun has been reparked over some minor pitting, in Gray.  Import stamp is Arlington Ordnance.  

This barrelled receiver might have been a three-war gun: Pacific WW2, then Korea and left there, and then Vietnam with South Korea's significant presence there.  Just a thought.  
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It is a long channel, just broke it down and measured.  
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Quietus,
Thx for getting back,
Seems every 8-10 years someone reports one of these and jogs our memories that Sprague & Carleton did make late/post war stocks with the long channel and M2 cuts. But I don't recall ever seeing any contract information. I do have walnut and birch versions made by them for underwood and ibm. I consider them a very well made stocks.
IIRC, I've only handled a couple like yours, having a profile less pronounced than the later bigger bellied M2 stocks. I believe I have one buried away here marked S&C in birch but looks more like S&O from the C being leaned on while stamped.

Yours sounds really nice having that much barrel hang to adjust inside of. 
I'd expect it to make a excellent shooting stock, Congrats.

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I've got plenty of pictures of S&C 2 Rivet Hand Guards.
Has anyone seen 4 Rivet S&C Hand Guards that are not the result of a longer tab being added?

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M2 was adopted Oct 1944. The T4 trials are what probably resulted in the 4 rivet HG being necessitated. 
The contract below states ASSYS, so the 4 rivet should have been standard.
Maybe midstream they figured the change and redid?
http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/uploads/3657/Sprague_Carleton.jpg

Pretty sure they only used birch, but was they would have been stained
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I just found a note here dated 12-24-2009 after seeing a CMP carbine a guy had just received that had a S&C with Bomb in slingwell, having long channel and M2 cut.

I had circled: War Time replacement ?

So pretty sure I have a S&C like the OP and my note is proof to me I've seen a S&C with Bomb
But can't find a Picture of the latter.

Thx for contract info. Assumed it had to include HG's, just don't recall ever seeing a 4 rivet ??

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