Garand: Say Hello To My Little Friend...

  Recently retired, new A/O M1 Carbine owner - pleased to be here. Received the new carbine two weeks ago, took it to the range two days ago. Will add that report, and some questions in the Commercial Carbines section of the General Discussion forum later.

Failure to feed or failure to fire?

Thanks for the additional info. Feeding issues might be magazine issues or magazine fitment issues like the catch or maybe springs. You can turn the spring around and try applying hand pressure in different directions to support the mag or change it’s position slightly. Ideally, one would have known good mags to test or try your mags in a known good shooting carbine. Could be several little things with feeding problems even feed ramps.

Edited by floydthecat - Jan 22 2024 at 7:52pm

Thanks for the link, Don. I'd seen one of you earlier posts with that link (before I registered here) and had already bookmarked it! Appreciate the voice of experience. 

Here's a new link with some extra detail: https://photos.app.goo.gl/k4jxqAzK3Vga3V8j6

...maybe. I'm going to resurrect an old camera that has better resolution/macro ability (versus the 'smart' phone I'm using) to get better close-up pictures for you. I've not altered anything on the weapon, so just as it came from the factory; cleaned and lubed only - and fired 45 rounds through it.

In the past the carbines by Auto Ordnance have generally had minimal machining after casting. Which has caused problems with some of their their carbines not functioning properly but they had hardened their parts properly. Which is not the case with this bolt and possibly the hammer and slide. This is a safety issue and the carbine shouldn't be fired.

The right bolt lug is the most obvious issue. The pics of the rear of the bolt don't show it clearly but appears there are cuts or sharp indentations.






Difficult to see in the pics but appears the metal indicated by the arrows is deformed. The right side of the rear trigger housing lug too.


Take a look at the front of the cam cut in the slide. Appears the metal may be soft there.


The areas of the bolt where the finish has been scraped off has to do with the lack of machining on the inside of the receiver.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Auto Ordnance may want you to send the bolt, hammer, and slide for replacement. But they are symptoms indicating an overall problem. They should replace the carbine. Which risks getting another with the same issues. I went thru this repeatedly with Unland (commercial Inland Mfg). I'd suggest taking it back to the retailer for a refund and not buying another Auto Ordnance carbine. Also avoid the Unland carbines.

Few suggestions for better pics with the cell phone.

For better focus put a bit more distance between the phone and the object being photographed. The size of the resulting image allows for zooming in on the area in question using an image viewer vs trying to do it by getting close with the phone/camera.

Also, try tapping on the phone screen where you want the image to focus just before you take the pic. It's kind of a 3 handed operation but when various objects in the image are at various distances the camera will inevitably focus on something other than the area you want. Backing off on the distance between the phone and object also helps the depth of focus.

Try using shaded sunlight instead of room lighting. It can help minimize the reflections.

Jim

CarbineCopy wrote: Thanks for the info guys! I'll experiment a bit more with the camera technique. In some of the 1st group of pics I'd held a fairly bright led light at different angles to better capture some of the marks.   After a bit more documenting I'll get this pretender wrapped up, get an RMA from Kahr, and wait patiently for my CMP Garand as consolation while I go through the lengthy drama that is likely to come.

Received RMA today, it's on its way. Kahr says to expect a 5-6 week turn around time - after they receive it.