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Inland M1a1 (?)

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    Posted: Feb 14 2025 at 7:09pm


Hi guys, I am new to the forum and finally got activated so I am able to post what I feel is a very nice carbine and hopefully get any additional detail or possibly some confirmation. 

What I have is an Inland with barrel date of 11/44 that seems to be as supplied after arsenal rebuild in exceptional (only because I'd probably get blown up for claiming excellent) condition. From my research it has all of the correct and acceptable parts and markings

This carbine was "given" to my grandfather (who had been the County Sheriff) by H.S. "Wacky" Arnolt during one of his visits to the (Road America) area sometime in the 50s. My dad took possession of it sometime around 1968 and kept/stored it for the past 54 years, only shooting it about 3 times. I recently received it from my dad and decided to verify it's clean condition and catalog it.

While I waited to get in here and seek the best possible assessment I did try sharing it elsewhere and it was complimented, questions were asked, and I was told that it wasn't an original M1a1, etc.  Now, I know just how difficult some of these rifles are to verify and there is varying information available so, I guess I'm just hoping to get a solid and trusted review based on the information I have or can provide.

Here are some of the specifics:
Receiver - Inland Div. – 6425174
Barrel – Inland Mfg Div. General Motors 11-44
Side of Grip – Crossed Cannons (“Medium”  Inland 2nd production run)
Bolt – IO
Hand Grip – RI over 3 (J.S. Richardson)
Stock – Circle (backward) S
Buttplate – Spoked Wheel (or Sunburst in Circle)
Handguard (4 rivet) – OI
Charging/Op Rod “Type V Slide” – C  
Trig. Group – Inland “house” logo
Hammer – W.I.
Lever Safety – M
Receiver (under feed ramp) – E
Gas System – D (near receiver)  L (near piston)  LH, V, 1, various
Barrel Band (Bayo Lug) – SI
Type 2 Adjustable Rear Sight - I.R. Co.



More pictures to follow... hopefully

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Hopefully that should do it for now!

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While I agree that it isn't completely original, the only things that I see that definitely aren't  are the mag catch and safety. I could be missing something else but from my quick scan, it looks 90%+ original. You've got a wonderful carbine there.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote welbytwo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb 15 2025 at 11:11pm
am surprised no rust spots from the drool of whomever ever told you was not a original m1a1, some depot or armorer switched those parts jim mentioned, they probably offered to take it off your hands, years ago a guy name of Larry Reynolds AKA Large Marge penned it well, your gun is drippy mint, the drippy is the drool of those looking at it--if that is your first carbine I would quit as anything else will be downhill--now all that said should be a IO in the slide well by the bridge--am totally clueless to your circle S thing--couple more checks and should be good to go-if you want to replace the safety and mag catch be careful--lots of fakes on safeties--is plenty of late Inland mag catches though-I have those if you want to have it look as was made
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Smokpole Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb 15 2025 at 11:54pm
Marcus,  it could be the Ordnance cross cannons partially stamped or obscured on the bottom of the pistol grip.
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if Marcus says it's good, then you definitely have a keeper!Thumbs Up
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With out a better picture, the front sight looks like a Winchester thumb nail??
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote welbytwo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Feb 16 2025 at 10:24pm
from what I remember about ramp milling on sights the winch thumb nails are finer milling and usually looks like two small milling tools vs the one larger milling circle you see on the ramp of N marked sights-not sure what foto you are seeing with the thumbnail on the flat-I am not finding but a foto of the ramp--the ramp looks like a common type 1 unmarked or N marked to me
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Originally posted by welbytwo welbytwo wrote:

am surprised no rust spots from the drool of whomever ever told you was not a original m1a1, ... your gun is drippy mint, the drippy is the drool of those looking at it--

Hahaha... that is awesome!  Thank you so much for the fine words and reassurance of what I thought I have.

Originally posted by welbytwo welbytwo wrote:

-now all that said should be a IO in the slide well by the bridge--am totally clueless to your circle S thing--couple more checks and should be good to go-if you want to replace the safety and mag catch be careful--lots of fakes on safeties--is plenty of late Inland mag catches though-I have those if you want to have it look as was made

I will try looking for the other stamping(s) in the slide well again tonight.  There's probably something else in there but I did not get additional pictures.

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Look at the picture of the barrel date. Can see a partial front sight. A better picture of the sight itself would clear the question.
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Originally posted by usmcdoc67 usmcdoc67 wrote:

Look at the picture of the barrel date. Can see a partial front sight. A better picture of the sight itself would clear the question.

I have this picture available (which probably isn't much help), but I can get a good picture from the other side later today or this evening.
(I'm not entirely sure why my reduced size images are displaying sideways... sorry!)


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Originally posted by Smokpole Smokpole wrote:

Marcus,  it could be the Ordnance cross cannons partially stamped or obscured on the bottom of the pistol grip.

Looks like an  'R' to me.
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that mark on the bottom of the pistol grip is J.S Richardson company. The mark I see is  R I 3. In the stock channel, for it to be an S it would be backwards. Looks like a 2 circled.hth
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I'm no expert, I'm just curious. Is there a 2-in long small gap between the stock and the left side of the front receiver ring when the action is in the stock?
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Originally posted by Jond41403 Jond41403 wrote:

I'm no expert, I'm just curious. Is there a 2-in long small gap between the stock and the left side of the front receiver ring when the action is in the stock?

Ya know, I can't say yes or no offhand.  I'll be looking at it and get more pictures when I get home in a few hours.

I really appreciate everybody's observations and inquiries so I want to make sure to answer questions and provide better visuals if possible.
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is no thumbnail behind the sight post--can't make out if a N there or not-but can see the ridge go back to the ramp
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Think that usmcdoc is looking at this pic, which makes it look like a thumbnail. But in the pic Marcus mentions you can see the ridge behind the blade. A top-down picture would be nice.






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Originally posted by usmcdoc67 usmcdoc67 wrote:

Look at the picture of the barrel date. Can see a partial front sight. A better picture of the sight itself would clear the question.

Hopefully this helps... definitely an "N"


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Originally posted by Jond41403 Jond41403 wrote:

I'm no expert, I'm just curious. Is there a 2-in long small gap between the stock and the left side of the front receiver ring when the action is in the stock?

Now re-reading this I'm wondering if you meant a visual with the upper "handguard" removed.  But, anyways, do these help at all?




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Originally posted by welbytwo welbytwo wrote:

-now all that said should be a IO in the slide well by the bridge--am totally clueless to your circle S thing--couple more checks and should be good to go-

I think this is what we were looking for.. I can't believe I didn't see it originally



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