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    Posted: Dec 17 2025 at 12:50pm
I picked up an Inland carbine with a round bolt. The carbine would not pickup the next round when fired. I switched the bolt to another carbine know to function. The problem followed the bolt. What should be looking for to correct the issue. 
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Welcome to the forum! Is this a USGI inland carbine or a commercial inland carbine?did you happen to use the same magazine in both carbines when firing? Feeding problems are usually a magazine issue not a bolt problem but I could be wrong. if it were mine, I would try a few  USGI magazines to make sure that the magazines are not the problem, then I would change the recoil spring to see if that made it function any better. sometimes a weak recoil spring can fail to strip the round out of the magazine. does the bolt hang up on a round trying to feed or does it just ride completely over it and close? If it rides over it and closes, I would check the magazine retaining nubs and inspect the magazine catch because that might mean the magazine is riding too low in the receiver for the rounds to be picked up. also make sure the magazine spring is in the correct way in the magazine, a backwards magazine spring can cause all kinds of problems.hth

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Used same mags. Usgi carbine. One mag was sy-b and one KcI
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Did you take the known good bolt and test it in the carbine with the feeding issue? You said you put the miss-feeding bolt in the good carbine and it failed, just flip-flop the good bolt into the miss-feeder as a double-check. This will give additional credence to suspect the bolt.


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I did flip flop the bolts. The problem followed the bolt.
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is there any way you can post a picture of the bolt in question? Hey Floyd, can a bolt have burrs on it to slow its ride down the rails? I have never heard of this it's usually the rails that have the burrs. You would know out of any of us of what's probably going on
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Originally posted by abody711 abody711 wrote:

I did flip flop the bolts. The problem followed the bolt.

But did the bolt from the "known functioning carbine" work in the Inland that you are having issues with?
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Yes it did. No issues.
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Can’t be too much wrong with a bolt that won’t strip a fresh round. The T3 bolts bear the revision to beef-up the ramp on the underside of the bolt to strip a round. I have had commercial bolts that would fail to strip the top round and required some “adjustments”. Your GI T3 should be spec. 

Things must happen to make it feed. The bolt has to retract to the rear far enough to pick-up the base of the top round and the operating spring needs to be strong enough to strip-n-feed the fresh round. If the bolt is faulty and the ramp is not engaging the base of the fresh round, it’s  either an issue with the bolt ramp or the magazine not sitting high enough in the trigger housing.
One could open the feed lips a bit to allow the top round to elevate.

On the face-value of your results, the bolt is faulty….but, the problem could be solved by addressing magazine fitting or feed-lip adjustments. No two trigger housings might sit in the same position in any two receivers.

Swap trigger housings and see where it takes you.
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Swapped in a third trigger group. same issue.
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I'm no expert but the bolt ramp looks fine to me. It doesn't look worn or filed
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How is that bolt marked?

Do I see .u. under the left lug? It looks little fired to me and maybe because it never worked. It seems you have chased your problem to that bolt and the fix is to replace it.
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Yes it has .U. on  the bolt. What is the meaning of .U.?
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Manufactured by Underwood, a genuine USGI bolt. It’s difficult to say what might be wrong with it. Various surfaces have to be in the right place. I have ran across an Inland bolt that had to be polished in a couple of areas to make it run. I think it’s very rare to have a problem with a USGI bolt but anything is possible.

Seems to me that you have determined that bolt won’t run in two different carbines. You could send it to me and I can look at it and test it in my carbines. If it will run for me, I could swap you another bolt. If it won’t run for me, we will know it is definitely faulty. Otherwise, I suppose you need to obtain another bolt.
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Originally posted by floydthecat floydthecat wrote:

Manufactured by Underwood, a genuine USGI bolt. It’s difficult to say what might be wrong with it. Various surfaces have to be in the right place. I have ran across an Inland bolt that had to be polished in a couple of areas to make it run. I think it’s very rare to have a problem with a USGI bolt but anything is possible.

Seems to me that you have determined that bolt won’t run in two different carbines. You could send it to me and I can look at it and test it in my carbines. If it will run for me, I could swap you another bolt. If it won’t run for me, we will know it is definitely faulty. Otherwise, I suppose you need to obtain another bolt.

Offers don't get much better than that!
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I agree, Floyd's generous offer would be the cheapest route (All you would have invested in a different bolt is shipping charges). Carbine bolts have become ridiculously expensive in the last 10 years. In case the new member is unaware, Floyd knows his stuff and has made several caliber conversions using the carbine system. He probably understands the carbine better than anyone else here. If you send your bolt to him, he will figure it out for you
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Can you get a better picture of this? This picture is too fuzzy to zoom it and get a closer look inside the triangle.



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