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Question 1: Serial number - 3295039

Question 2: Initials above serial number – SAGINAW SG

Question 3: Front ring details (use a capitol i for sanserif one) – CAL. 30 M1

Question 4: Rear tang - wide

Question 5: Rear left receiver detail – no ear

Question 6: Front and middle left detail - none

Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - none

Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date – FA 6544006 11/11 3V-B (I had a Fulton Armory barrel installed after the USGI gas system broke.  I know longer know the replaced barrel’s information.)
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Question 1: Serial number- 36487xx

Question 2: Initials above serial number- S’G’

Question 3: Front ring details- CAL.  .30 MI (period after CAL and another preceding 30, Ml font is Sans Serif)

Question 4: Rear tang- NARROW

Question 5: Rear left receiver detail- SQUARE EAR

Question 6: Front and middle left detail- N

Question 7: Receiver bottom detail- NONE

Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date- Underwood 11-43
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Serial number - 3249675 3278964 3292573 3343327 3346376 3385047 3492554 3528046 3554851 3612873 3619003 5866834
Initials above serial number - SG SG SG SG SG SG SG S.G. S'G' S'G' S'G' S.G.
Front ring details -
CAL. 30 MI. (Sans Serif Ml)
CAL. 30 M1 (Serif M1)
CAL. 30 M1 (Serif M1)
CAL. 30 MI. (Sans Serif Ml)
CAL. 30 MI. (Sans Serif Ml Period after I)
CAL. 30 M1 (Serif M1)
CAL. 30 MI. (Sans Serif Ml Period after I)
CAL. 30 M1 (Serif M1 Period after 1)
CAL. .30 Ml 
CAL. .30 Ml 
CAL. .30 Ml 
CAL. 30 M1 (Serif M1 Period after 1)
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 Narrow Narrow Wide Narrow Wide Wide Wide Wide Narrow Narrow Narrow Wide
Rear left receiver detail - No Ear No Ear No Ear No Ear No Ear No Ear No Ear No Ear
Squared Ear
Squared Ear
Squared Ear
 No Ear
Front and middle left detail - Large SG Large SG Large SG Large SG Large SG Small SG Small SG Small SG none none none none
Receiver bottom detail - Letter I on Lug U on Lug A on Lug U on Lug Partial unreadable letter Partial unreadable letter Partial U (or J) E on Lug none none none K on Lug
Barrel manufacturer and date -  Rock-Ola double dated 1-43 and 2-43 Saginaw Saginaw Saginaw Saginaw Underwood 8-43 replacement Saginaw Saginaw Underwood 12-43 Underwood 11-43 Underwood 11-43 Saginaw
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Question 1: Serial number- 33345xx
Question 2: Initials above serial number- SG

Question 3: Front ring details- CAL.  .30 MI (period after CAL and no period preceding 30, Ml font is Sans Serif)

Question 4: Rear tang- WIDE

Question 5: Rear left receiver detail- NO EAR

Question 6: Front and middle left detail- SG

Question 7: Receiver bottom detail- Letter J on Lug

Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date- SAGINAW SG DIV
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Hello- Question- If my S’G’ falls between these serial ranges- is it assumed that these features are potentially present, but don’t indicate sharing of receivers between the Grand Rapids and Saginaw Plants? My rifle has several of the inconsistencies listed, but I was wondering if / where it fits in. Apologies if this info isn’t known yet/ or if at all.
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Forgot to ask about the receiver cut on the right side, semi-circle or square cut.
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I have been in and out of M1 carbines since the late 70s and I don't remember ever seeing a 58 or 6 mil Saginaw M1 Carbine. What is the highest serial number reported in that block? I am sure it is posted in the Carbine Club Newsletters but I don't have them handy anymore. There must not have been a lot of them manufactured.
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@ bigheavy, as far as ordnance was concerned Saginaw was one entity with two factories.
It is theorized the first delivery of SG marked receiver were delivered out the the GR plant.
Later there were receivers sent to GR to have the serial numbers applied.
There is much more to the full story and why we are looking closer at the certain serial number ranges to establish what may have actually taken place.

@ kar, the highest serial was reported as 5,87x,xxx
that information as well as information of some of the SG factory receiver questions stems mostly from CCNL 357 which 19 pages were devoted to serial numbers and anomalies.

Everyone, If you see a Saginaw anywhere you can report this information.
If you see it at an auction site and do not want to transpose the information please post or drop me an email or PM with a link and I will take care of the rest.

on the note of serial numbers, do not forget the "Serial numbers to look for and report"
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Are you interested at all in Inland receivers made by Saginaw?
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Question 1: Serial number - 3616618

 

Question 2: Initials above serial number – SAGANAW S’G’

 

Question 3: Front ring details – CAL. .30 MI

 

Question 4: Rear tang – Narrow with possible vertical mark on side next to hole

 

Question 5: Rear left receiver detail – Rounded Ear

 

Question 6: Front and middle left detail - N

 

Question 7: Receiver bottom detail – N/A (none)

 

Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date – SAGINAW S G. DIV

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Question 9: Rear slide cut detail – Square at rear, rounded towards front
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@ Smokepole, I missed you post. We are only looking for receivers used at the Saginaw plants at this time, but thank you for asking.

@ Johnny, Are you sure your left rear receiver detail is a rounded ear?
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Square corner to the ear is the meaning there. Thank you. Under IP they ground the corner rounded to follow the circular tooling hole.
My sig: Seen an IP or S'G'? Add it to my registry. We'll check consecutives.
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Question 1: Serial number - 3650096

Question 2: Initials above serial number - S'G'

Question 3: Front ring details (use a capitol i for sanserif one) - period after cal and another before 30

Question 4: Rear tang - Narrow- No markings, not sure it is original

Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - Squared ear

Question 6: Front and middle left detail - B in the middle

Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - None

Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - Inland 3-43

Question 9: Rear slide cut detail - Square
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Hello, I'd like to add my Saginaw to your research.

Question #1      Serial #3222275

Question #2      S' G'

Question #3      U.S. Carbine Cal. .30 M l (no serifs)

Question #4      Narrow

Question #5      Rounded with hole

Question #6      Upside down 5 middle left side

Question #7      None found

Question #8      Underwood 12-43

Question #9       Square
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I have one of the rifles in question. Are you still looking for info?
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Yep, Still looking for info!

Guys if you see these at auction or for sale you can submit that info as well!
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1.  S/N 3,496,712
2.  S.G.
3.  CAL. 30 MI. (Sans serif M1, period after CAL, no period preceding 30, period after M1)
4.  Wide tang
5.  No ear
6.  Small SG on left side front (2/16”), no other letters
7.  Capital “O” on bottom of trigger housing lug
8.  Underwood 3-44 barrel
9.  End of rear slide cut is round

(This was one of the Midway USA Italian carbines.)
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thank you,
We are also looking for a little info on the Italian carbines
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Question 1: Serial number - 3254748

Question 2: Initials above serial number - SG

Question 3: Front ring details (use a capitol i for sanserif one) - CAL. .30 MI

Question 4: Rear tang - Narrow

Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - No ear

Question 6: Front and middle left detail - No letters or numbers

Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - J on lug

Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - SAGINAW S.G. DIV.
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Question 9: Rear slide cut detail - Round
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