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Dan did an amazing job with the research on Inland 270.
If you look in the carbines of the collectors section you’ll see several other of the really hard to find Carbines I’ve come across over the last three years. One is an original Inland 3446, and another is an early Rockola that was a Marine bringback from Iwo Jima. There’s also a post on a very late Rockola that my Grandfather gave me when I was 19 and I believe it’s just a few numbers away from the last Carbine made by Rockola.
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I knew others would be interested in this special Inland but I never imagined Dan’s awesome article that he graciously did 3 years ago would’ve created so much interest. I just checked and if I’m reading it right it looks like it’s had over 13,800 views.

Even though I own this amazing piece of history, I still enjoy reading Dan’s research on it and it made me pull it out of the gun cabinet and wipe it down😂

I’m really looking forward to Dan’s research article on 270s battlebrother 292 which I believe he’s working on.
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When my Marine buddy got Inland 270 some 30+ years ago from an elderly family friend in PA who had been a WW2 Officer and who told him "this was the Carbine he carried in the War into North Africa and then Sicily and Germany" - he either meant it was the Actual Carbine he carried, or as most have speculated, it was "like" the Carbine he had carried.
But with its very interesting / peculiar early parts, for me its an even greater Mystery to speculate on when and where the old WW2 Veteran would have acquired this Carbine of Interest if wasn't actually his "bring back Carbine... 

Also Noteworthy in my humble opinion is that when the old WW2 Veteran gave 270 to my Marine buddy he also gave him this Type 1 AI Magazine, this 1942 dated Mag pouch, and this early C-Tip Sling that went with "his" Carbine he said, and my Marine Buddy gave them to me along with 270. 

Just an interesting historical "coincidence" that these early Carbine accessories accompanied 270 when he gave it to my Marine Buddy??? Possibly...

He also gave him his M3 Fighting Knife...

Since they items were connected by the WW2 Officer to "his" Carbine, I thought I'd post their pictures for the recordSmile 







Edited by HammerGrunt - Apr 14 2025 at 7:20pm
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very neat thank you for sharing!
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Any body notice the chamber has ear like its cut down 03 barrel 
and the ramp is 1 big one and ruffed in half fast been edged to assure bottom edge doesnt catch shell 
 My Plainfeild has a double ramp 
and hole has feed ramp bevel all the way around like M1 Garand
That looks like it started out with a single stack mag 
When you guys know Inland had to come up with 5000 guessing  M1A1 Paratroopers 
before the invasion in 43 My Grand Father started in Normandy Big Red 1 on his uniform 
said they didnt have the option of the carbine untill islands of japan his Sargent and Radio man Did
probably winchesters or another once they got past Beach  .
My Grand Father was relieved when hed run into his brother a Air Born Ranger  
then theyd dump him behind enemy lines again 
Thats where the M1A1 got nickname the Comandos Just saying 
Im thinking Inland had to make all the M1A1s first before any stocked one 
Doesnt that sound right?
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Awesome Rifle and story and discussion
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I admit the post on Inland XB 271 made me want to go back and look at this great research post Dan Pinto did on Inland 270. And even though I have it in my Safe I’m still surprised when I see what Dan learned about the early, (pre-full production?) sometimes not seen before parts on this super early Inland.

Dan thanks again for the many hours of research and work you did on this noteworthy Carbine!
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Hammer,
Inland 270 was built to fight a global war and made History.
XB 271 was put together as a post war souvenir.

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Thanks! Just seeing it’s 271 on its receiver made me think about my 270 and which caused me to go back and look through Dan’s research and information on it. 

Since Inland 270 was made in late May or early June 1942 and Inland XB 271 was put together in December 1959, these two Carbines Who’s three digit serial numbers are ironically one number apart, are literary on the very front end in the very back end of this amazing American weapons history.
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I know many don't care for presentations, and that is fine, it leaves less competition for the niche collector.

1-10 were tool-room educational models.
11-99 were reserved for tests and experiments. these may have been before final blueprints
101-7 million plus were production models to fight a global war.

So how do we feel about Inland 18?
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The Story of Inland 18,
Built to defend a country, but no.....
Exposed herself in filthy field manuals then fled in shame to Norway and joined the Coastal Artillery aka KART, then off to Israeli to find herself again.
Where she was used up, needing a complete overhaul and deported thru a export company.
She was Tramp Stamped before being allowed back in to the United States.
Last I heard she was hiding in the shadows of some guys gun cabinet.
The End.

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Charlie, I love your stories!
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All of the presentation carbines were made during the war, with the intent of going to war. It was (mostly) when production slowed down that a carbine was pulled from the line as a gift for someone. 
The reason for the X codes was to differentiate from ordnance supplied serial numbers so as not to be confused with government property.
Yes there were X series that were test guns,  but not relevant for what we are discussing right now. 

Charlie, you contend 18 was to defend the country. I would say the process to get into production was part of the story, but never meant to be delivered. Remember parts interchangeability! these early guns were different. 

Look at the detail below and the serial ranges going from early number to actual carbines meant to be delivered to ordnance.
As stated above, the first production serial number was 100. anything before that was for testing, experiments, development etc. 

http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/uploads/7732/EarlyRecDetail.jpg

now compare the bottom picture of XB 271 to the above receivers. That is a pre-production receiver!

@HammerGrunt, it was not serialized right next to 270, the receiver was made before yours, when it received its serial number has too many variables. 

Two of many possibilities
First, it could have been per-production that had a flaw, and saved from the scrap bin or....
second it could have been one of the serial 11-99 carbines that sat around the shops or maybe even the wall of, say an inspector at Inland?????

IF the second scenario, maybe upon said inspectors retirement he was gifted it or something similar?
This is all WAG, so from the clubs perspective it is just a guess.

So now go back and look at the first few pictures on page one of the XB270 thread, does anyone notice something else consistent with a per-production carbine. 

And if we can agree that it is a pre-production, just like Inland 18, but got renumbered, would it have built as part of the the process to defend the country? 


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Here I will save you time for anyone down the line looking for the other thread



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Thanks for the extra information and history Dan. 
And given your correct comments below I’ll modify my comment here Smile

My thoughts about the similarity of 270 and 271 wasn’t meant to imply that XB271 receiver was made right after 270. I was just saying that the similarity of their low three digit serial numbers was ironic since 270 was Built into a complete Rifle in the first month of production in 1942, and XB271 was the last known presentation Carbine given out in December of 1959.
I compare it like being the first and last chapter of a long book.


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We do not know when XB271 was built into a complete carbine, we only know when it was given. 
See my second possibility above. 

There are several examples of carbines given to instrumental Inland people that have a mix of parts. 
If you have the newsletter look into Stanley Prance's gift. Off hand I think he was the chief metallurgist. 
So is his carbine having the latest, hence greater parts on an earlier gun a boon to the recipient?
 

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I wonder if a serial number on bottom of barrel flat or gas cylinder on 271--17 and 18 both have--18 had to come out of hiding today charlie
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Originally posted by welbytwo welbytwo wrote:

18 had to come out of hiding today charlie

Thanks for the warning, ICE has already called and told me they had eyes on 18's accomplices Fonda and Rosie. Stay safe, keep the chains tight.

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Dan Pinto posted: "There are several examples of carbines given to instrumental Inland people that have a mix of parts. If you have the newsletter look into Stanley Prance's gift. Off hand I think he was the chief metallurgist. So is his carbine having the latest, hence greater parts on an earlier gun a boon to the recipient?"

I am no Garand expert, but I am reminded of the National Match M1 rifles, manufactured by Springfield Army in the late 1950s. Think of them as new "presentation grade" M1s, that were set aside by inspectors because they were more accurate than the average M1 that SA built. They were intended to be used by the military rifle teams competing at Camp Perry, OH., not hung on the wall nor put in a safe. There were competitive shooters then, not collectors.

When these rifles were made available to civilian shooters, they were gobbled up because they offered an advantage in accuracy. Throughout the 1960s, improved parts were manufactured, accepted and made available to all shooters: changes to the front and rear sights, the gas cylinder, and eventually glass-bedding in the stocks. Serious competitive shooters upgraded their factory-original NM rifles to seek improved scores.   No one was thinking of future Garand collectors wanting factory-original NM rifles.

Same with the carbine. An adjustable rear sight is better than a flip sight, same with the #2 and #3 band over the #1 band, the rotary safety is better than the push safety. If I had been the recipient of a "presentation" carbine at the end of WWII, I would've wanted all the improvements in my carbine. No one was thinking of future collectors.

Now, 50 years later, we're still obsessing over what parts are "correct." Depending on your goals, they are ALL correct! :-)

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So well said Marty!

I’m a recovering competitor that is now an ardent collector, and I see Competitive shooters vs Collectors like being Marine Corps vs Army. And being a 37 year Marine I definitely know which of those two services is more of a competitor than a collector, but I’ll let you all have your own opinions on that😂🫡
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