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    Posted: Sep 24 2018 at 8:37am
Is it permissible to use the name of various vendor(s) to inquire as to member experience with a particular vendor?
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If your referring to "brands", it's done all of the time.
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Sounds like he's talking about sellers. I'll see a thread every once and a while about a certain seller. I think it's up to the person making the inquiry as to whether to make it a private or public post; personally, I don't care either way.
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Paul, we have a forum section dedicated to just that.

http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/cheers-or-jeers_forum80.html
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To be specific, Legacy Collectibles currently has four M1 Carbines for sale, two of which are interesting to me. Just wondering if any member has had a purchasing experience with this company. In the future, I will use the cheers and jeers forum section as recommended by W5USMC.
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My mistake, I thought he was talking about ammo performance.
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Originally posted by Paul1262 Paul1262 wrote:

To be specific, Legacy Collectibles currently has four M1 Carbines for sale, two of which are interesting to me. Just wondering if any member has had a purchasing experience with this company.


Paul, I have not purchased from them nor would I with their prices. Not sure which carbines that you are interested in but note the .U. underwood rebuild mark on the Winchester's stock, I think that if that carbine went though rebuild it would have a type 3 band, flip safety, adj rear sight.
In the description of the Inland they have listed they use "original configuration" I read that as restored.
I also think I see type 2 or 3 band marks on the "original" NPM.

Also of note awhile back there was a Saginaw carbine that had etched navy markings on it, it was originally sold by Julia auctions who in their description stated "Questionable Navy Markings" Legacy Collectibles bought the carbine from Julia, raised the price considerably and described the markings as "Rare Navy Markings"
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Wayne, I certainly appreciate your observations with respect to the M1 carbines available at Legacy. Collecting would be so much more fun if people were honest.
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+1 on what Wayne stated. 
I have observed people with more money than knowledge spend crazy money on obvious put togethers.

They have some nice stuff (non carbine) but based on my observations and there lack of knowledge (or willful misrepresentation) I would be hard pressed to spend my money with them.

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A few things to look for:

Bayonet band marks on the stock
Signs of barrel refinishing in the bayonet lug area
Crater or mismatched rear sight stake marks
Signs of welding in the dove tail area
Stock sanding especially in areas known to have rebuild marks
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I had an initial interest in the 1943 Winchester. Since then, I have changed my mind given the following observations: 1.Appears to be Underwood stamp on left side of stock 2.Butt plate does not appear to be a Winchester. 3.Cartouche stamping appears to be mid Winchester, not early. 4.Winchester proof mark on barrel looks questionable. 5.Rear sight appears to be staked. 6.Repair to stock around magazine well is concerning. 7. Given the serial number, I think this M1 was produced in late 1942 (September 1942) not 1943. 8. Price - $2,495.00.
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Wayne, I made a few more comments regarding the Winchester that Legacy has for sale in my last post. I would appreciate you taking a look at them and see if you agree with any of the points or if I'm way off base.
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Originally posted by Paul1262 Paul1262 wrote:

I had an initial interest in the 1943 Winchester. Since then, I have changed my mind given the following observations: 1.Appears to be Underwood stamp on left side of stock 2.Butt plate does not appear to be a Winchester. 3.Cartouche stamping appears to be mid Winchester, not early. 4.Winchester proof mark on barrel looks questionable. 5.Rear sight appears to be staked. 6.Repair to stock around magazine well is concerning. 7. Given the serial number, I think this M1 was produced in late 1942 (September 1942) not 1943. 8. Price - $2,495.00.


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Yes that is an Underwood rebuild stamp on the left side. I believe that the un-boxed W.R.A/G.H.D Winchester cartouche is correct for that serial range, the stock would have originally been type 2 (high wood) but was converted to Type 3 at some point. Agree the winch PW proof looks funny but I think it is just the way the picture is taken. There are stake marks visible at the rear sight. According to WB III that serial# was applied to that receiver on 1 Oct 1943, this info is cited from actual Winchester logbook entries. I have no comment on the butt plate, I still struggle trying to identify them.
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Wayne, Greatly appreciate you taking a second look at this carbine and offering your observations and comments.
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I have witnessed legacy collectibles along with just about every high volume seller on Gunbroker pedal trash . Their descriptions were not exactly what they should have been. Honest , dishonest or ignorant. As long as most of them have been in the game I would pick the second option listed unfortunately. The thing I don't get is most of them get top or more than top dollar for their items, garbage or not. As far as carbines and those big sellers, their prices are high and for no good reason other than a false sense of security. Cracks me up, they list a carbine on Gunbroker and it goes for stupid money , scroll down the page and an equal or nicer carbine will go for hundreds less.
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