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Praetorianseven
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Posted: Apr 01 2020 at 9:29am |
While bidding on a Winchester carbine on Gunbroker (one I did not win), I noticed a strange asterisk above and to the left of the receiver marking. Any explanations out there? I know California has some weird rules on marking semi auto rifles.
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Praetorianseven
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I've seen very few of these over the years ( Underwood receivers mainly) but have generally thought of them as arsenal marks or inspection marks from original manufactures.
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Praetorianseven
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Could they be marks indicating the receiver didn't meet the standard and had to be re-worked?
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Praetorianseven
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That's certainly a possibility. The Underwood asterisk I've seen on their receivers looks more refined but similar.
Weird things happen when you produce over 6 million carbines; as I've said the possibilities are endless. |
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Thank you!
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New2brass
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I believe it to be foreign proof marking. British and Commonwealth put there markings there as well as the bolt and barrel
Many of the markings were crossed swords with letter and number in the 3, 6, and 9 O'clock positions
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m1a1fan
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Hard to tell in the picture, but based on the appearance and location of the marking, it looks like the opposing broad arrow British "Sale Permit" proof mark. Sometimes accompanied by other markings like a crown and the letters BNP.
The Underwood "asterix" marking has been observed on the front of the forward receiver trigger housing lug near the end of UW's 1st block. In addition to the location difference, its strike characteristcs are also different. It's meaning, as opposed to the OP's mark, is unknown. |
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W5USMC
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Agree with m1a1fan, it does look like the "Sale Permit" stamp pictured on page 1279 of WBIII, tried to get a better look at the marking from the auction listing but the other pictures are just too blurry. Here is what the seller said about the marking in the listing: "The text on the front of the receiver is marked with an asterisk. We believe this to be an indication that this particular receiver failed an initial mechanical test before leaving the factory and was then repaired. We believe it to be a factory marking but are not positive
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m1a1fan
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Don't have WB III, but appreciate the confirmation. Did not get a chance to see the auction, but the text description is very interesting. It sounds like they are trying to say it is an inspectors mark.
My understanding of an inspectors mark is something was checked and deemed good to go. If it wasn't, would the mark still be applied? If so and it was fixed, wouldn't another inspectors mark be applied?
Also, could this mark and the other British marking (crown over BNP) be applied with the carbine assembled? My guess would be no. I'm asking since I don't know. Anyone know the details of how this process worked? |
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