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Louis Losi 
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 Posted: May 23 2023 at 10:19pm |
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You are 100% correct, the British requested 50,000 25 cartridge stick magazines in WWII, that were delivered, for use in their U.S. purchased Thompson submachine guns.
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Louis Losi
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Posted: May 24 2023 at 5:50am |
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I would change "that were delivered" to "that were shipped". The 50,000 25 cartridge stick magazines manufactured by Seymour Products Co. of Seymour, Connecticut may have been in a Liberty ship sunk by the enemy in the North Sea.
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Posted: May 24 2023 at 8:30pm |
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THOMPSON SUBMACHINE GUN MAGAZINE TRIVIA
The answer to this Thompson magazine trivia is unrelated to magazine capacity and that Models M1 and M1A1 Thompsons are manufactured only for stick magazines, not drum magazines. Drum magazines and stick magazines were produced for Thompson submachine guns, but one has a feature the other lacks. Which type of magazine has the feature and what is the feature?
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Posted: May 25 2023 at 9:07am |
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Well, the drum magazine has many features on it for cartridge loading and operation that the stick magazines do not.
However, the feature that makes the drum magazines not useable on a Model M1 or M1A1 is the fact that the drum has horizontal slot tabs on the front and rear of the magazine that slide into horizontal slots in the SMG magazine well to hold it in place. The M1 and M1A1 did not have these horizontal slots in the mag-well to accept the drum. The M1 and M1A1 only have a vertical guide rail in the rear of the mag-well that the stick magazine slides into and locks.
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Timothy
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Posted: May 25 2023 at 9:30am |
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[QUOTE=SSNPingjockey]Well, the drum magazine has many features on it for cartridge loading and operation that the stick magazines do not.
To add to Pingjockey’s first line (towards making it more explicit): the drum mag has the winding key feature to facilitate loading…with no similar feature on the box mags.
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Louis Losi
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Posted: May 25 2023 at 2:27pm |
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Incorrect answer, unrelated information. The trivia answer has to do with the operation of the Thompson submachine gun with a feature that either the drum magazine or stick magazine has when in position on the Thompson. |
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Posted: May 25 2023 at 2:29pm |
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Incorrect answer, unrelated information. The trivia answer has to do with the operation of the Thompson submachine gun with a feature that either the drum magazine or stick magazine has when in position on the Thompson. |
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Posted: May 25 2023 at 2:43pm |
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From Machinegunboards.com
 "Stick mags do hold the bolt open after the last round is fired, but drum magazines DO NOT. This was never a problem on SMGs as they fire from an open bolt. When the drum is empty, simply cock the actuator and remove the drum. Closed bolt guns (27A1s) are not capable of doing this, thus the bolt falls forward after you cock the gun. There is a device called a "third hand" used to lock the bolt back (like a stick mag does) so you can get a drum out of a 27A1." |
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Louis Losi
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Posted: May 25 2023 at 3:27pm |
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You are 100% correct that Thompson submachine guns using stick magazines, the bolt will remain retracted when the last cartridge is fired, the follower has a tab that rises to tilt the disconnector on the trigger away from the sear not releasing the bolt when the last cartridge in the magazine is fired. The Thompson submachine gun fires from the open bolt position, so after the last cartridge in the stick magazine is fired, the bolt remains cocked and all that is needed is to replace the magazine and pull the trigger to start shooting. Not so with drum magazines. When the last cartridge in the drum magazine is fired, the bolt remains in the forward position. The bolt has to be manually retracted in order to remove the drum magazine and insert another magazine. Your information on the 1970s Numrich Arms introduction of the semi-automatic Model 1927-A1 Thompson is unrelated to the trivia question. |
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Posted: May 25 2023 at 6:10pm |
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Thanks I learned something once again.
But it seems the question morphed….the original question did not say the answer had to pertain to firearm operation….but rather differences in magazine features, of which we see a number. Cheers. |
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Louis Losi
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Posted: May 25 2023 at 7:32pm |
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I would never pose a question about one feature that a Thompson stick or Thompson drum magazine has that the other doesn't, there are many. They are two different magazines.
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Posted: May 25 2023 at 9:38pm |
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UNISSUED M1928 AND M1 THOMPSONS IN 2023?
In WWII the U.S. supplied Russia with U.S. tanks for use against Germany. One item of standard issue that came with each tank was a M1928 Thompson submachine gun. I believe the Russians never used the Thompsons because in recent years M1928 Thompson parts kits were imported into the U.S. from Russia that were in mint condition. When Ukraine was a part of Russia, the Russians had a weapons cache in Ukraine that became a Ukrainian weapons cache when Ukraine declared it's independence from Russia. In February 2022 Russia invaded Ukraine. In 2023 Russians occupied the area that included the once Russian weapons cache. This seven minute video is of some of the weapons in the cache including the M1928 and M1 Thompson submachine guns. I have no explanation for the presence of M1 Thompson submachine guns. |
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Posted: May 25 2023 at 9:49pm |
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Click on this link to view video.
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Timothy
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Posted: May 25 2023 at 10:07pm |
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Thanks for the link Louis - very interesting video and remarkable to see the NOS hardware.
Too bad the Wagner Group has their hands on this stuff….. a nasty organization doing dirty deeds in many parts of the world. |
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Posted: May 26 2023 at 10:38am |
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THOMPSON SUBMACHINE GUN TRIVIA
What possible explanation is there when a Thompson submachine gun has the letters NAC in front of the serial number?
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Posted: May 26 2023 at 10:53am |
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I was wondering the exact same thing Louis. I was watching this video and wanted to put a link to it on another thread on this forum where we are talking about where did all the Underwood carbines go But I don't know how to post a link haha.and after seeing this video I thought well places like this could be one of The places some of them are. They didn't mention carbines, But I thought if they've got M1 Thompson's lend lease, they could have carbines as well
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Posted: May 26 2023 at 6:56pm |
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The Numrich Arms Company assembled and sold Thompsons in the ‘50’s; S/N’s were stamped with a NAC prefix. They were assembled from Thompson components obtained in the assets NAC purchased from another company/syndicate.
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Louis Losi
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Posted: May 26 2023 at 7:37pm |
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You are 100% correct. When Numrich Arms Corporation in the early 1950s acquired the assets and the rights to manufacture Thompson submachine gun from the previous owner, I believe a toy cap gun company, the assets came with pallets of Thompson parts including finished serial numbered receivers. These receivers should have previously been registered with the ATF but weren't. A compromise, or amnesty, with the ATF allowed Numrich Arms Corporation to register these serial numbered receivers with the provision that the letters NAC preceed the serial numbers. So, Numrich Arms Corporation was able to assemble and sell Thompson submachine guns that weren't manufactured by Numrich Arms Corporation.
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Posted: May 27 2023 at 5:31pm |
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THOMPSON SUBMACHINE GUN TRIVIA
What possible explanation is there when on an M1 Thompson receiver, a hand stamped letter A with a hand stamped letter X on top of the letter A is located to the right of M1, and a hand stamped number 1 with a hand stamped letter X on top of the number 1 is located to the right of the X stamped A.  |
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Louis Losi
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Posted: May 28 2023 at 1:03pm |
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Here is the picture, I finally located, to show what I indicated above. It may help to solve the trivia question.
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