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Originally posted by W5USMC W5USMC wrote:

The max range of the M1 Ball ammo exceeded the safety limits of many ranges, therefore they introduced the M2 ball ammo. The 50 Cal took over as the long-range machine gun.
 You are 100% correct. The reason for the adoption of the less powerful .30 cal. M2 ball cartridge is extreme long range fire with .30 cal. machine guns was no longer required, the .50 cal. machine guns were available for that purpose and the .30 cal. M1 ball cartridge, at firing ranges, had brought problems in providing suitable backstops and behind target safety zones.
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BALL, CAL. .30, M2 RIFLE CARTRIDGE TRIVIA
Manufacture of the ball, cal. .30, M2 rifle cartridge, adopted in 1937, included tin plating the metal bullet jackets until 1940, the year that ended the tin plating. What explanation is there for ending the tin plating of the metal bullet jackets?  
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the tin was needed elsewhere for the upcoming war effort?
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Tin was a strategic material that we didn't mine ourselves. We had to import it.   Hence stateside rationing and recycling (salvage). Tin was needed for a multitude of military items, but not needed to plate lead bullets.
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the tin was needed elsewhere for the upcoming war effort?
Incorrect answer.
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Originally posted by Marty Black Marty Black wrote:

Tin was a strategic material that we didn't mine ourselves. We had to import it.   Hence stateside rationing and recycling (salvage). Tin was needed for a multitude of military items, but not needed to plate lead bullets.
Incorrect answer, Marty.
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The tin plating was used to differentiate the M2 from the M1 cartridge. Don't know what exact reason they stopped in '40.

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That was when they stopped producing the M1 cartridge, so they didn't need to plate. The plating was used to differenciate between the M1 and M2 cartridges.
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Originally posted by john843 john843 wrote:

The tin plating was used to differentiate the M2 from the M1 cartridge. Don't know what exact reason they stopped in '40.
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Originally posted by Smokpole Smokpole wrote:

That was when they stopped producing the M1 cartridge, so they didn't need to plate. The plating was used to differenciate between the M1 and M2 cartridges.
Both of you are 100% correct. The hue, or color, of the M2 cartridge bullet due to tin plating, unlike the unplated M1 cartridge bullet made identifying of either cartridge obvious. In 1940 the M1 cartridge was designated obsolete, thus ending the need to tin plate the M2 cartridge bullet. 
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M1 RIFLE SERIAL NUMBER TRIVIA
What is the highest serial number .30 cal. M1 rifle produced by International Harvester Company(IHC)?
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Originally posted by SSNPingjockey SSNPingjockey wrote:

5,278,245
Incorrect answer.
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I knew that had to be too simple. 3 separate sources stated that number. Must be some outlier fact. 
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Originally posted by SSNPingjockey SSNPingjockey wrote:

I knew that had to be too simple. 3 separate sources stated that number. Must be some outlier fact. 
The solution to any trivia question will have a level of difficulty. The "experts" aren't always correct.
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Louis….when you say “produced” by IHC…do you mean rifles where IHC actually manufactured (produced) the receiver themselves, or are you including receivers either made by SA and/or HR and assembled by IHC?  Looks like they had a lot of help throughout production and both SA and HR made a lot of their receivers.
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Originally posted by Louis Losi Louis Losi wrote:

 The "experts" aren't always correct. 

Old American Rifleman articles aren't always correct either. Big smile
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Originally posted by SSNPingjockey SSNPingjockey wrote:

Louis….when you say “produced” by IHC…do you mean rifles where IHC actually manufactured (produced) the receiver themselves, or are you including receivers either made by SA and/or HR and assembled by IHC?  Looks like they had a lot of help throughout production and both SA and HR made a lot of their receivers.
The information I have indicates IHC marked M1 rifle. If the receiver was produced by SA or H&R but marked IHC, it doesn't change the trivia question.
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Originally posted by W5USMC W5USMC wrote:

Originally posted by Louis Losi Louis Losi wrote:

 The "experts" aren't always correct. 

Old American Rifleman articles aren't always correct either. Big smile
 I agree, American Rifleman articles and "experts" aren't always correct, but wait for the answer to the trivia question before you decide who is correct. 
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We’ll see if someone can hopefully get it. Sure can’t give a number other than what I gave, but thinking they must have fell short of their assigned quota and designated final number. Maybe a lower number was the actual last one.
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Originally posted by SSNPingjockey SSNPingjockey wrote:

We’ll see if someone can hopefully get it. Sure can’t give a number other than what I gave, but thinking they must have fell short of their assigned quota and designated final number. Maybe a lower number was the actual last one.
Clue to solving the trivia question. Not a lower assigned number.
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