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But isn't the BAR an M1918??
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I recall seeing a discussion of that - prob on Forgotten Weapons or maybe David Albert here? IIRC the M designation system came later, and was the not the originally adopted designation. |
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I apologize for my error, it is the Model of1918 BAR.
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Louis Losi ![]() On Point ![]() Joined: Jan 04 2016 Location: New York State Status: Offline Points: 367 |
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This can be confusing but if you can remember that beginning on July 1, 1925 the U.S. Ordnance Department began using the M designation with a number, not a year, for newly adopted items, all beginning with M1. What is confusing is there are pre-1925 items with a year designation that were not adopted by the U.S. Ordnance Department that are thought to be adopted. One example is the Model 1921 Thompson submachine gun. It is a commercial, not military, designation. Post 1925 examples are the Model 1928 Thompson submachine gun and Model 1942 Johnson rifle which would have had an M designation with a number, not a year, had they been adopted by the U. S. Ordnance Department. These are commercial designations. Yes, both the Thompson and the Johnson were used in WWII but they were procured, or adopted, by individual branches of the military.
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M3 might have been a good guess, but it’s not a “rifle” either.
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The M3 submachine gun would lose to the M1 submachine gun and both, still, would lose to the M1918 Browning Automatic Rifle.
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Figured I was wrong, but fekt like I should contribute anyways…😁.
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You did the correct thing, that's the only way information gets out to others.
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So what do I win? Maybe an ultra rare SETH-OLA?
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You win free membership to the Carbine Collector's Club Forum.
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In WWII, the T29 was a project to produce the .45 M3 submachine gun with a more powerful cartridge, the .30 carbine cartridge. The project ended with the more advanced development of what would eventually be adopted as the M2 carbine.
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M2 carbine or the M2 (Hyde) submachine gun? |
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The M2 carbine. The .45 M3 submachine gun had already replaced the short lived M2 submachine gun.
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Although not adopted, the M1 carbine was responsible for the development of what weapon?
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Johnson 5.7mm "spitfire" Carbine
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I should have indicated my trivia question is related to WWII. The Johnson Spitfire Carbine was an 1960s conversion of the M1 carbine for commercial sales.
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60's yes but reportedly Mel Johnson demonstrated his "spitfire" carbine at Aberdeen in hopes that the Ordnance Dept would be interested.
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I will rephrase my trivia question.
Although not adopted, the M1 carbine was responsible for the WWII Ordnance Department development of what weapon?
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Could it be a semi-automatic in .50 BMG? There was a thread and a Forgotten Weapons video over on the CMP Carbine Forum a couple days back. Didn't watch it. Thrust of the OP was that it shared some features with the M1 Carbine, and that David Williams had something to do with the design, and that our brothers in the frozen North had tested it as an anti-tank rifle. Other commenters disagreed on the shared features.
This is a long shot, indeed.
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No, unrelated to the .50 BMG cartridge or David Williams. |
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