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Ruth: SG Stock marked OI/40A, Found OI/39A

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    Posted: Feb 18 2024 at 8:07am
Hi,

Have here A Trimble/TN Highwood stock with I think 43B or 48D in the slingwell.
Stock was mounted on my QRMC Carbine. Stock is sadly sanded so no other markings.





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Updated list of Slingwell stamped stocks.
Trying a couple of new things.
* This as an image and maybe it will be easier to read.
* Sorted the list by stock type first, then by stamp number, with some decisions based on the carbine serial number and stamp size.   These are my guesses based on the discussion so far about possible chronology.  Arguably the stock stamped  bomb 1 E could be at the top of the list, etc.
* Adding the column showing size and location of the stock manufacturer stamp.  The smaller RSG stamp seems to be earlier, and larger stamp later.


8 A and bomb A 8 may be the same stock but recorded twice.  

 


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Butt plate is a transitional Winchester.

Saginaw was making receivers for Inland before they took over the IP contract. They started with narrow tang.
The wide tang shows up in the Inland 8008xx range of SAG produced receivers.

See CCNL 346-3

I would add a note of a possible on the IO with the 9
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Looks like a Saginaw buttplate to me (I'm not an expert) and that would add to likelyhood its an IO stock that was at the Saginaw plant.  However Inland used the same buttplate, so its also possible this was an Inland stock.  Pchanu found an early Inland that also has slingwell markings. 


For now I think it belongs on the list.  Whether it was always married to the S'G' reciever, its probably best to be doubtful.   But Larry Ruth illustrates a 1,82 narrow tang S.G. receiver in WB! but I failed to find the explanation  (IIRC I've read it - just cant' find it now).  Hopefully someone more knowledgable and experienced will chime in.


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Here is the butt plate. No markings on side of plate.

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I.R. stock with bomb mentioned above.
My understanding is this was a seperate contract direct with Irwin after the Saginaw contracts were ended.
Further that the bomb stamp indicates US gov't acceptance of the part individually.
One bomb in the slingwell, and another in the oiler slot.
Unfortunately, the stock was pretty heavily sanded.  There is a P on the front of the grip and remnant of an arsenal stamp on the right cheek of the stock.






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Maybe.  Certianly interesting enough to include in the discussion.  IIRC some 1,8 carbines were completed at the Saginaw plant very early on.
Maybe the butplatte will be another clue?

Originally posted by gglithox gglithox wrote:

I don't know if this counts but a Saginaw S'G' #1830210 came with this OI flaming bomb with 9 Type 1 I stock. There is no viable cartouch on right side.
   
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Originally posted by jangle jangle wrote:

Yes Matt, all have boxed SG and CC cartouche on right side.

New2brass,  I've photographed at different angles and lighting and really cannot make out anything other than what I've noted.  If someone sees something different, it's fine by me.

I see an A in the bottom of the loose stock.  So I guess that is pretty certain
I guess the question whether there is a 9 before the A or if its a bomb?   

Related to the bomb stamps, I have an I.R. stock purchased off of ebay with two bombs.
One bomb in the slingwell, and another in the oiler slot.
Unfortunately, the stock was pretty heavily sanded after it saw service as a rebuild. 

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Dan,
Look again at the first page.  Charlie on one list has a 7 without letter, but manufacturer U.  That might be an oops or might be deliberate.
The U7 is from Ruth's WB!   I don't think we know anyth9ing more about it.

It looks like I'm the current keeper of the list.  What I've been doing is maintaining a spreadsheet with additional columns for full serial number if known, and source of reference.   It also lets us sort by number, letter, etc.
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@gglithox, another tough call.
the OI and Ord bomb was a early 1943 stock

Charlie's list has a 7 on a U stock followed by 7U on a ?
Matt's redo list does not have just a 7, but has a U7
the U is out of the A-F we have seen, but early on could be variations????

If there was a 7 with no letter then just a 9 is possible. Hopefully a stock with CC will show up with an early number without a letter.
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Originally posted by Matt_X Matt_X wrote:

Jangle.  Thanks!
Those add a new dimension to the ordnance bomb marked stocks.
Did those stocks all have SG acceptance stamps? 
I ask because I had been speculating the bomb stamp represented approval by Army inspectors for early production and those purchased direct by the US for replacements

Yes Matt, all have boxed SG and CC cartouche on right side.

New2brass,  I've photographed at different angles and lighting and really cannot make out anything other than what I've noted.  If someone sees something different, it's fine by me.
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I don't know if this counts but a Saginaw S'G' #1830210 came with this OI flaming bomb with 9 Type 1 I stock. There is no viable cartouch on right side.
   
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A few other SG stock markings to add to the list. None are original to the carbine these are now on if any. All of these have the SG in a box and crossed cannon on the right side.

Type 2 (highwood oval stocks)

IO
41 C

Q-RMC
53 C

RSG (large letters)
60 C

Type 3 (low wood oval stocks)

RSG (large letters)
102 E

RSG (large letters, upside down)
sideways Oval
103 B

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Hmm, the loose stock looks like it may be a 9?
the one above might be 81?

a page or two back Matt points out a ord bomb in a picture.
also a page or two back there is a RSG O, believed to be a "spares"
Since there was also a RSG 0 reported that is actually a Q and has proper QHMC CC

I think the O were type 2 stocks. In going with the theory that the numbers were done in an order we would see a transition of T1 stocks to T2.

Who is gonna be the updater of the list, Charlie or Matt?


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Jangle.  Thanks!
Those add a new dimension to the ordnance bomb marked stocks.
Did those stocks all have SG acceptance stamps? 
I ask because I had been speculating the bomb stamp represented approval by Army inspectors for early production and those purchased direct by the US for replacements
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Original Carbine 3325xxx
Type 2 stock:
RSG
31 E  Bomb



Original Carbine 3508xxx
Type 2 stock.  Very difficult to make out because of the roughness of wood fibers.  Looks like:
RSG
Bomb  1 E



Loose Type 2 stock:
RSG
Bomb  A



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Asa also shares a 3,381,xxx SAG oval cut highwood with SG in box and CC. The slingwell is marked Trimble TN and SG with 38 A

Checking a loose stock on hand it is also a Trimble TN over S.G. with 38 B.
The number fonts are different between Asa's and this one and there are clearly periods between S and G
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Asa Overall shares an interesting one, a RMC I-cut with no SG in slingwell. It does however have the SG number/letter of 90E

The interesting thing is it has the side cut for a rotated springtube. This would suggest earlier production stock. Did RMC send earlier and it sat around at Saginaw, or did it hang around RMC and sent later?

http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/uploads/6054/IMG_3213.jpg

http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/uploads/6054/IMG_3212.jpg

http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/uploads/6054/IMG_3214.jpg

Unfortunately there is no longer any CC on the stock

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Just checked my 2 SG stocks
3   75E    TRIMBLE  TN                                Unk, AAM rebuild
2   76F    Unk, but a R is visible                    SG 3,486

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From Larry Ruth's collection.  (#91)
Type III (Low wood)
SG Ord Stamps.
stock on 3390816, unknown if original to carbine.
Underwood Rebuild program stamp.

 RSG small upper right of slingwell
A 3 5 in middle


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