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    Posted: Aug 09 2021 at 2:40pm
Originally posted by painter777 painter777 wrote:

 
HOLES UNDER BUTTPLATE:

Single hole:
S-HB, OI, HI, RSG (SG), RSG (S'G'), IR, RSG TO I (TRANSFER), RMC, RMC TO I (TRANSFER), RMC B, QRMC, TRIMBLE FOR NPM, TRIMBLE FOR SG, S-HB, SJ AND LW-B, JL-B, JL, P-U,     (Assume IR-IP),  Circled K often thought made by Keystone,

Three holes:
WRA, SC-B, S&C-U, M-U, BR-B, J, SA

No examples of HQ.

Need Examples of any replacement stocks that are marked in the sling well requested.. Like M and bomb, P, and IIRC P-1 or PJ? and any others.

Updated: 8-9-21

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Edited by painter777 - Aug 09 2021 at 3:05pm
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Thanks everyone for the info on the stock markings
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That is a nice crisp stock. If you use the search bar for the word "hotdog" or 'hot dog" you will find threads with the J stocks.

That marking found on the bottom of the grip has been seen on some of the NRA sales. Possibly from Army storage.
I similar marking has been seen on many IBM stocks so it is unclear if there was a tremendous amount of the IBMs or if IBM was stamping the marking
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Welcome to TCCC,
Nice clean looking stock and markings.
I see you found the post on the CMP with many of the AA +letter Inspector stamps.
As your finding, there are many.

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here are the pictures of the stock

*edit* to put space between pictures and words


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Here's a CC from a Jewel stock.
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@NavyFC(SW), sounds like a Jewel Bros. stock. Can you post some pictures?
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I could use a little help on some of my stock markings, first does anyone know how the inspector "K" was at Augusta Arsenal? also what does the "z" on the bottom of the handle on the stock stand for, and in the sling well, there is a "J" stamped, I have seen where is is a battle field replacement stock, a Jewell Bro Co marking and a Jamestown lounge stamp, the stamp on the right side of the stock resembles the Jamestown Lounge cross cannons Stamp. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks ...
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I'll keep those tips in mind. Thanks Dan!
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If you are taking pictures then outside under a tree or in the shade results in very good pictures.
In direct sun it casts hard shadows ans could bleach markings.

Another way to get markings to show is direct light run across the top of the markings which will create mini shadows in the markings which the camera can sometimes pick up what the eye does not see



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If you all would like them, I can take better, clearer photos of the sling well when there is daylight.
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For reference, a Milton Bradley High Wood BR-B Stock

The angle of the sling well inlet (not sure what this area is called), appears different depending on how the picture is taken.

Left Image: Shows the inlet angle better.
Right Image: Appears flatter.


3 holes under the butt plate. Machining marks are diagonal whereas the OP's are horizontal.
Left Image: Straight on view
Right Image: Lying flat view

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Look just ahead of the vertical "grind" mark near the top. Looks like a faint U tipped toward the left. The triangular sanded area just below it is where the M- would have been. Could also look a bit like a partial 0 but it is a little too big for the typical OI.
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Looks like a Milton Bradley (BR-B) stock. The ones I've seen have 3 holes (no numbers) and a sling well profile simliar to Winch, but not as angled and more rounded at the edges. Thought I had posted pictures in a previous thread and will look for them or repost.

The OP's stock has some kind of mark on the bridge. Could just be dents though.


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Originally posted by Smokpole Smokpole wrote:

Looking at the angled shot of the sling bevel, the marking looks like a U oriented about 30° to the left. With the wood removal in front of it, it could well be an M-U marked stock.


Forgive me for sounding crass, but could you point out where you believe an M-U or similar once was? I've gone over it with magnifying glasses and bright lights but for the life of me could not see any markings at all. I did notice that some wood was removed, which for what reason I cannot figure out.
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Looking at the angled shot of the sling bevel, the marking looks like a U oriented about 30° to the left. With the wood removal in front of it, it could well be an M-U marked stock.
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I looked under butt plates today. All were Type I or Type II Hi-woods.

Single hole:
S-HB, OI, HI, RSG (SG), RSG (S'G'), IR, RSG TO I (TRANSFER), RMC, RMC TO I (TRANSFER), RMC B, QRMC, TRIMBLE FOR NPM, TRIMBLE FOR SG, S-HB, SJ AND LW-B, JL-B, JL, P-U,     (Assume IR-IP)

Three holes:
WRA, SC-B, S&C-U, M-U, BR-B, J

No examples of HQ.

Examples of any replacement stocks that are marked in the sling well requested.. Like M and bomb, P and any others.

The 2 Extra holes on the OP's stock appear larger than those on a WRA stock.
You can compare them to a picture in the Milsurps link below.
The milling forward of the bridge shows a larger / wider diameter router (?) bit was used than found on WRA stocks, which had a smaller less aggressive bit used. I'll add a couple example pictures below.
So much sanding has been done that other clues we attribute to WRA stocks can't be seen.
See this link about common stock clues found on WRA stocks:


The Crossed Cannon stamp appears to be a copy. I do not believe it is real.
The Inlayed wood appears to be Oak.

Compare the pictures below to the OP's. These will
 show the smaller diameter bits used to cut forward of the wood bridge on WRA stocks:

 

I feel it's a Marlin made Underwood stock, but that's JMO.

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Off the top of my head only S&C, Marlin (for Underwood) and Winchester stocks had the additional holes.
There may be others.
(This does not include potbelly stocks)
One thing to check is the inside walls and bridge for markings

The CC is clearly not IBM (SCB) nor Underwood. It is not Inland.
The picture from the angle may be skewing the picture.
There is one item making me say not Winchester, but with that I will let those more intimate with Winchester to take a look.
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Originally posted by 03manV 03manV wrote:

With the stock that size and location it almost has to be Inland.
With the mods make to the stock, the original mfg really makes little difference, JMHO.


I understand your opinion and what was done to it. I was more less trying to figure out the manufacturer to add to my notes and because I was genuinely stumped on it. And too, if need be, I can always use it as a shooter stock as well. Thanks for the help not only you but everyone else too! 
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With the stock ordnance wheel that size and location it almost has to be Inland.
With the mods make to the stock, the original mfg really makes little difference, JMHO.


Edited by 03manV - Oct 21 2020 at 3:51pm
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