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New2brass ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Dan Pinto, Photo Editor Joined: Nov 29 2015 Location: CT Status: Offline Points: 4417 |
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Another Update from Ron, They are getting $4 million to rehab the factory |
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Update from Ron on the Wright/Inland factory |
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Wright Brothers Factory Dayton Ohio March 26, 2023 At about 2:30 am Sunday the Dayton Fire Department responded to the iconic factory where the Wright Brothers built airplanes and later occupied by the Inland Division of General Motors, where during the war produced the most M1 carbines during World War II. ![]() ![]() The building is listed on the National Historic Register and the oldest airplane manufacturing facility in the world. It housed the National Aviation Heritage Area. Firefighters battled the blaze for more than 14 hours to bring it under control. No injuries were reported. ![]() ![]() The future of the building is uncertain. Pictures by WHIOTV7 staff photographer Thomas Hamlin. Thanks to our resident retired Inland employee, Ron Dalhamer, for letting us know. |
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Buffalo Arms Supplier to the "Free Barrel" Program. This was a bit of mystery because we didn’t know where it was then. This made answering "where are they now?" more difficult. That story can be followed here. Buffalo Arms was incorporated 8 November 1940 as a division of U.S. conglomerate Houdaille-Hershey for the purpose of making Royal Air Force machine guns. Funding to the tune of $5.5 million came from the British Purchasing Commission based in Washington D.C. Land was purchased in Cheektowaga, NY, a town along the rail lines just to the east of Buffalo. Plans for the factory were ready by the end of January 1941 and construction began right away. The steel framed main building was designed with a distinctive saw-toothed roof covered with large interlocking tongue and groove concrete slabs. On April 15 The Buffalo Evening News reported the building was completed and Buffalo Arms would begin taking applications for workers. ![]() Aerial photo of new plant in April 1942 (labels added). ![]() While construction was proceeding, property and equipment ownership transferred to the Defense Plant Corporation (DPC). This was part of a larger plan where the British transferred their investments in American production to the US owned Reconstruction Finance Corporation (R.F.C.). DPC would remain the property owner throughout Buffalo Arms's occupancy. A feature of the factory not visible on the outside was an underground range connected to the basement. On July 12, 1941 the papers reported on the first production machine gun tested ceremony. ![]() View of test operator at the range (left) and (right) a worker showing before and after machining. Buffalo Evening News photo page Nov 27 1941. The plant continued in production, presumably adding carbine barrels and other items, through January 1945. That Spring some equipment was packed up to be ready for future use, while other machinery was sold and shipped out. At the end of 1945 the property itself was sold to American Machine and Foundry. American Machine and Foundry intended to use the plant for producing an bowling pin resetter in 1946. While they did produce some, supply and other woes delayed getting this new design into full production that year. However they were able to make use the facility for development of their baking equipment. By the mid 1950s AMF had a new design for the bowling pin setter that was in full production, presumably at this facility. Google Map Satellite ![]() Marty Black has provided some recent exterior photos in the other thread which I'll add below. First is probably the administrative office building. Seen looking northward along Kennedy Rd. ![]() Second looking East toward the factory ![]() Credit to Dan Pinto and Marty Black for much of the research. Hopefully this is just a start on unravelling the history of this plant. It should be noted that the Buffalo Evening News (6 Jan 1941) credited the factory design to G Morton Wolfe Amongst Wolfe's many designs he is credited with the Houde Engineering offices in Buffalo, NY.
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jackp1028 ![]() Hard Corps ![]() ![]() Joined: Jan 01 2016 Location: Cloudcroft, NM Status: Online Points: 1240 |
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It looks like the original metal factory was at 105 Newton St.
I found an article in the Greenfield Recorder that stated, "According to the Massachusetts Historical Commission, the main structure at 105 Newton St. was built in 1855 and has been home to an arms factory, cutlery or edged tool factory, and military manufacturing facility." The lumber storage building was "across the street" according to the article. https://www.recorder.com/Developer-seeks-to-demolish-former-Rugg-Manufacturing-building-47542178 It's at the end of a "Dead End" street. You can barely see it on Google Earth Street View. It looks like this is part the "flat roofed" storage and shipping area addition mentioned in the CCNL 249 article. Edited by jackp1028 - Feb 23 2023 at 2:24pm |
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I suspect the model is the Lumber division on 66 Newton St. Greenfield Mass. Note the pile of lumber and the dust collection unit. Rugg opened a Lumber Div. in 1921 "across the street" from the metal stamping plant. It had a driveway off W. Fairfield St. with a rail line behind it. Today there is a Tractor Supply on that location. This would make the building on 105 Newton St. the building in question. Mapquest shows Rugg Place, but suspect it is a private road . ![]() |
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jackp1028 ![]() Hard Corps ![]() ![]() Joined: Jan 01 2016 Location: Cloudcroft, NM Status: Online Points: 1240 |
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CCNL 249 features an article about Rugg Manufacturing Company. The article includes a page from a South River Modelworks advertisement that shows a really detailed model of the Rugg factory to be used with an HO gauge model railroad. The article states that 500 of these kits were made. I wonder where they are today?
Check out their web site. https://www.southrivermodelworks.com/page170.html ![]() |
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I passed through Port Clinton late last year. All of the Standard Product buildings are gone now. The only building left at that time was the guard shack and I wouldn't be surprised if that was gone too by now.
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The Rugg Mfg Plant in Greenfield, Massachusetts where magazines for the M1 Carbine were made during WW2 will be torn down soon. The company made shovels and rakes back then as well as now. However, they were sold and relocated around 2013.
These pictures/info are courtesy of OpRod321 over on CMP forums, posted with his permission. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Great thread, I really enjoyed reading though all of it.
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If anyone has the time and inclination: The city library in Port Clinton has an extensive collection of information on the Standard Products plant. It was put together by one of the former mayors who worked there. I know of the collection, but haven't had the opportunity to look it over myself.
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This is reportedly the site of Underwood Elliot Fisher headquarters during WW2, the location where the Carbine Committee was first established. The original address was stated as 241 Broadway, New York, NY as noted in War Baby!. However the building in the picture is actually located at 1 Park Avenue which was also noted as a UEF HQ address (WB pg.116) A building now at the Broadway location (see below) looks similar but is many blocks away and there is no 241. The addresses jump from 235 to 250.
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Here is a building involved with the carbine program. What is its significance and where is it. Be specific! ![]() |
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jackp1028 ![]() Hard Corps ![]() ![]() Joined: Jan 01 2016 Location: Cloudcroft, NM Status: Online Points: 1240 |
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Hueyjazz on the CMP Forum confirmed the location of Trimble Nurseryland Furniture Co. in Rochester, NY. They were the makers of stocks for National Postal Meter which was nearby. They're on the corner of Wren and Lexington. Here's a Google Earth Street view screen grab.
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I always enjoy reading how the entire country got involved in the effort to support our military and our allies during World War TWO. We shall never again see a time where nearly everyone was ready to pitch in at all levels!! Kids gather scrap iron, adults weren't pleased with rationing but did it quietly so the military could have all the supplies they required. What a great time in America for "togetherness".......
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Here is an aerial view of the missing building in New Hartford. that is missing. I overlayed a picture of the factory on the survey to give some perspective.
![]() Both Underwood factories on that street were originally owned by Landers, Frary, and Clark. They were a cutlery business as well as manufacturing things such as vacuum cleaners which were manufactured at the plant pictured (now in original post) The missing building pictured above was their Box Division. In 1955 there were two back to back hurricanes that saturated Connecticut and surrounding states. Days after the rivers rose and did incredible damage to the state to the tune of 200 million dollars which is about 1.6 billion in today's money. The rushing flooded rivers overflowed and swept away the landscape, buildings, bridges, and roadways. If interested do a search of 1955 Connecticut flood. Youtube has some videos.
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While doing the research above I was contacted by the member who wrote the article. Subsequently, we worked together to uncover more information.
The original post has been updated to add more information on the Underwood plants. The Obituary link for Inland's O'Brien was broken so we fixed that link. Please check it out. We would encourage anyone with the time and interest to add to this thread, as many have already done. If you live in or in the area of any of the locations please take a picture of how it looks today. Historical pictures are also welcomed. |
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New2brass ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Dan Pinto, Photo Editor Joined: Nov 29 2015 Location: CT Status: Offline Points: 4417 |
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While doing the research above I was contacted by the member who wrote the article. Subsequently, we worked together to uncover more information.
The original post has been updated to add more information on the Underwood plants. Please check it out. We would encourage anyone with the time and interest to add to this thread, as many have already done. If you live in or in the area of any of the locations please take a picture of how it looks today. Historical pictures are also welcomed. Here is an aerial view of the missing building in New Hartford. that is missing. I overlayed a picture of the factory on the survey to give some perspective. ![]() Both Underwood factories on that street were originally owned by Landers, Frary, and Clark. They were a cutlery business as well as manufacturing things such as vacuum cleaners which were manufactured at the plant pictured (now in original post) The missing building pictured above was their Box Division. In 1955 there were two back to back hurricanes that saturated Connecticut and surrounding states. Days after the rivers rose and did incredible damage to the state to the tune of 200 million dollars which is about 1.6 billion in today's money. The rushing flooded rivers overflowed and swept away the landscape, buildings, bridges, and roadways. If interested do a search of 1955 Connecticut flood. Youtube has some videos.
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Wasn't sure either about the Porcelain plant.. But then after reading through UEF News Christmas 1943, the write up about President Wagoner's 25th Anniversary gets around to mentioning the production of Aircraft instruments, Rate of climb indicators, fuses... etc. I wondered if Porcelain Voltage Resistors 'Might' be a product they were making... Not sure. Thanks for the help. I'll try a link to those UEF News issues: One thing is for sure UEF had a Ace up it's sleeve having someone like Philip D. Wagoner at the helm. He had worked through Gov contracts both in WWI and WWII. Been searching for newer issues to see if mention of a post WWII contract for bolts is mentioned. Again Thanks Guys, Charlie-P777
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