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David Albert
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Posted: Oct 19 2019 at 5:04pm |
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I posted this photo in the Carbine Photo of the Day thread, but there were no comments made about the magazine. I think this could be a unique photo, as I do not recall seeing a vintage photo of a soldered or welded magazine.
I'm leaning toward the magazine being soldered, because I think it would be tricky to weld a Carbine magazine. In black and white, the joined magazine area certainly looks shiny, as I would expect soldering would. So, has anyone ever seen another similar photo? Does anyone have a magazine like this? Thanks! David Albert dalbert@sturmgewehr.com |
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floydthecat
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Certainly doesn't facilitate shooting from prone. Has to be hard on a mag-catch too.
I had first thought they were attached base-to-base and would be flipped, but it looks more like they are stacked.
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jackp1028
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Five or six years ago I acquired an Inland that came with a pair of 30 round magazines soldered together, side by side. At the time I thought it was a pretty awkward setup. Not too practical for target shooting. I was able to separate them but they were badly corroded under a really ugly solder joint, possibly from the acid flux that was used. I cleaned the solder and corrosion off as best I could and hit them with a coat of semigloss black paint. I kept the one that looked the best (see below). I gave the uglier one away.
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blackfish
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I wonder how well that straight homemade magazine would work given the tapered nature of the cartridge. I mean there's a real good reason why those 30 rounders were "bent".
I remember seeing a picture years ago (almost 10) where someone fused a bunch of 30 round magazines end to end to make a ridiculously long magazine but I can't locate it now |
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David Albert
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If I was unclear in my original post, this appears to be two 15 round magazines soldered together to make a higher capacity magazine.
David Albert dalbert@sturmgewehr.com |
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I've never seen any magazines soldered together in tandem like you described. I agree with Blackfish that they would likely be unreliable due to the tapered cartridges binding in the straight tube. I wonder what kind of spring was used in this application? Perhaps two springs also in tandem.
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@David,
That's pretty interesting.. It surely looks Soldered and clearly a vintage photo. I've never seen anything like it, at any time. Makes you wonder about the spring??? Is it a 30rd mag spring? I don't think it is because There would be no reason to build it. Some how some way I believe they must have joined 2- 15rd mag springs together to build it... Maybe they were able to solder 2- 15rd springs together.. not sure how they joined them. But gotta be 2- 15rd springs, otherwise they'd have just used a stock 30rd mag. I see the carbine has a rear adj sight, 4 rivet hand guard but still has a early barrel band. Maybe 30rd mags weren't quite available yet? I'd give $20 just to see how it was made. Chances are we'll never see another one. I wouldn't have gave this one a chance of being seen or believed it was out there........ But there it is. Again very interesting, Thanks for sharing it... Good Luck finding another ! Charlie-P777 ADD: @JP, Now see your post. I must have been typing my reply as you posted. Pardon my duplicate info.
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David Albert
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Thanks for your comments...
I did a 1200 dpi scan of the photo, and here is a closeup of the magazine. I do believe it was soldered. Maybe two 15 rounder springs could be wired together, and then soldered? I wouldn't think the capacity would be 30, but maybe 25... David Albert dalbert@sturmgewehr.com |
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A similar fusion to that pictured was actually tried during development of the 30 round carbine magazine. But the pictured magazine is not bent more than 2 degrees. And, without the hardened lugs which came later, likely didn't last too long either.
From "Design and Development of the U.S. Carbine Thirty-Round Magazine" by Frank Iannamico in Small Arms Review (August 2005)
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New2brass
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magazine like Dave's picture was found and reported by Marty Black in CCNL 203-2. Picture also shows the springs also soldered together.
Mag as mentioned by blackfish was reported in CCLN 254. I think there were a few earlier reports as well. Good stuff!
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tenOCEE
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There are currently done versions in .308. Seems I read there are 5.56 too. I've seen the .308 in person and it was well done.
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Dnikkor
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Ask and ye shall receive...from a CMP Forum post of mine from 2016.
http://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=185044 |
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jackp1028
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Check out this after action report. It mentions "improvised" magazines.
http://s798.photobucket.com/user/karls42/slideshow/PDF%20TEST%20SHOT |
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New2brass
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From another post http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/Forum/topic4224_post58367.html#58367
Here is a cropped and enlarged pic Source Life Magazine American soldiers resting alongside the road near the front lines during the Battle of the Bulge.
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Marty Black
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I had one of those soldered double mags decades ago! Just like the Marine in the initial post (David Albert) and the GI in the recent post (Matt_X and New2brass). I found it in a pile of old parts at a gun show. I wish I knew what I did with it!
I would've bet money that I did an article on it for the Carbine Club newsletter, but I cannot find it in the newsletter index...Well, hell! I know I took B&W photos of it, and I'll look for them...if only to prove that I'm not a complete idiot. Regards, Marty Black |
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Marty Black
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Well, as incredible as it may sound, I found my pics of the soldered double mag! Pictures are very dark, unfortunately. The two mags were not perfectly aligned, so this contraption was a bit crooked. Well worn, rusty and tarnished, which led me to believe that this was a WWII GI mod, and not the product of some tinkerer in his garage. The top mag was marked circled IU and the bottom mag was UN.
I'll attempt to attach 6 photos. Regards, Marty Black Ahh, shxx...Dan, why am I not seeing the paperclip icon to attach photos? |
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It is a tree Marty not a paperclip. |
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Marty Black
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Thanks Wayne! Here goes. I may need more than one reply to get all 6 photos in. Marty B
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Marty Black
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Here are the photos 4-6. Sorry about the awful shadows. I made these pics decades ago. mb
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