Hi you .30m1 fans. In Holland it is only allowed to own max. 5 guns on your weapons permit. There is however, the possibility, to obtain a special museum/collectors permit that permits more, but it is very difficult to get.

Welcome PatrickDuis.

I'll try to add some info I have the the Dutch and U.S. carbines later tonight.

Someone you might want to communicate with if you haven't already.

Claus Espholt http://claus.espeholt.dk His father was in the resistance in Denmark. He has info on carbines elsewhere in Europe.

On our web page devoted to Exports/Imports there is a link to a list of .30 caliber carbines provided to other nations.
http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/carbinesnara.html

Between 1951-1963 The Netherlands received 84,523 .30 cal carbines as military assistance.

I may have some photos of the Dutch in Korea and Indonesia with .30 caliber carbines. Also have photos of several Dutch service/maintenance tags found on carbines imported into the USA in the 90's.

Then there was the Dutch firm Nederlandsche Wapen-en Munitiefabriek NV., DE KRUITHOORN s-Hertogenbosch, Netherlands (NWM). I have photos and examples of a number of .30 caliber carbine accessories and ammunition they made for the West Germans.

Hopefully time will permit a search tonight.

Jim

I apologize for taking so long to add info. Too many things pulling on my attention. I hope to start adding things the next coup0le days.

First up: Bayonets for the U.S. .30 Caliber Carbines.

source: http://worldbayonets.com/Bayonet_Identification_Guide/m4_thru_m7_series/m4_m7_series_p1.html

"The Netherlands M4 bayonet is patterned after its U.S. cousin, but is a distinctly different design. The most obvious difference are the red phenolic grip scales, patterned after the U.S. leather grip. The crosspiece is much heavier, requiring a stepped muzzle ring, due to the extra thickness. The pommel is secured with solid pins, where the U.S. bayonet uses rolled pins. Examples are found with grip scales secured by rivets or (like this example) with screw bolts."

"These were made by the German firm, E. & F. Hörster, in 1951–52."

"This example has the Hörster commercial trademark on the crosspiece, although not all are so marked. The scabbard is patterned after the U.S. M8A1. However, the metal is blued and the plastic body has a woodgrain pattern."

U.S. carbine parts currently for sale on EBay by a seller in The Netherlands

http://stores.ebay.com/Westland-Military-Antiques

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Picture pulled from The Nederlands Fotomuseum.

Charlie, I think the guy with the odd looking helmet was Danish.



Claus Espholt identified the building in the background as Amalienborg Palace in Copenhagen, home of the Danish Royal family. The helmet and uniform on the soldier in the foreground was worn by the Danish Civil Defense. During the war Denmark was allowed to retain it's palace guard, but not their Civil Defense forces. Claus indicated this was probably a member of the Danish resistance. The soldier in the background is an unknown.

I have more photos and info coming. Just need the time to format the pics and upload them to the server.

Regarding where the resistance in The Netherlands obtained their U.S. carbines, I'm not sure the source was the same for all the carbines but the OSS did air drops to the resistance groups as did the British SOE. I'll try to post a couple articles I did for the Carbine Club newsletters. One on the SOE drops and another on the OSS drops.

Jim

Here is a pic  top pic of a M1 carbine that the Dutch converted for a Infrared scope.  I do have a lot of pics of this carbine on the conversion part. This gun is in I think Switzerland. Would have to check. The pics were sent to me as I have a M1 carbine with the same conversion cuts on the receiver & stock.  I only have the band for the pistol grip. If the pics of the conversion will help you I can put them up .

U.S. Office of Special Operations (OSS)
WWII
Operation Carpetbagger


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Dutch .30 Carbine Ammo

The Dutch firm, Nederlandsche Wapen-en Munitiefabriek NV., DE KRUITHOORN s-Hertogenbosch, Netherlands (NWM) manufactured .30 caliber carbine ammo in the 1950's and into the 1960's.


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.30 Caliber Carbine (7.62x33) Round Nose Cartridges




.30 Caliber Carbine (7.62x33) Round Nose Cartridges



.30 Caliber Carbine (7.62x33) Round Nose Cartridges




.30 Caliber Carbine (7.62x33) Dummy Cartridges

Dutch Blank Fire Adapter (BFA)

Manufactured by Nederlandsche Wapen-en Munitiefabriek NV., DE KRUITHOORN s-Hertogenbosch, Netherlands (NWM) for the German Bundeswehr.

These are very common here in the USA. Where they were imported from West Germany and are being sold to the public. What's not shown is the case deflector that attaches to the carbine receiver to help direct the spent cartridges away from the breach.

I have a half dozen of these BFA's and their deflectors. They work, but don't make the mistake of loading the carbine with anything other than a blank cartridge. Blanks were made by GECO in West Germany (black plastic, red plastic), Bakelittfabrikken/Aurskog in Norway (red plastic, blue plastic, yellow plastic) and Südsteirischen Metallindustrie (South Steyr Metallurgy - black plastic) in Austria and likely others. DO NOT use a grenade launcher cartridge or it will become a BFA and front sight launcher cartridge.

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Red plastic blank cartridges shown with this BFA were manufactured by Bakelittfabrikken AS. Manufactured training ammunition and blanks for the German Bundeswehr and others. Nammo Bakelittfabrikken AS is situated at Aurskog 50 kilometres northeast of Oslo in Norway. Founded in 1946, Bakelittfabrikken invented and was the first company to produce Plastic Blank Ammunition and Plastic Short Range Training Ammunition. Bakelittfabrikken AS became a part of the Nammo Group in 2005.



NATO Stock Number 1005-12-076-0002mfg by NWM March 1958. 12 was the country code for West Germany. The mark below this info is shown below. It's the West German Ministry of Defense acceptance mark (waffenamt) on items for the German Bundeswehr.



West German Ministry of Defense acceptance mark (waffenamt)



BMVldg = Bundesministerium der Verteidigung