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Ruth: SG Stock marked OI/40A, Found OI/39A

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    Posted: Jan 12 2021 at 7:10pm
In War Baby, In the summing up Saginaw's Carbine Program,
In the stock section page 435, Larry mentions:

Type A, Variation 1 with the I cut Oiler Slot (Type I) was found with RMC 40 A

Type A (M1), Variation 2 with Oval Oiler Slot (Type II) was found with sling well marking of OI 40 A.

Type A (M1), Variation 2 with Oval Oiler Slot (Type II) was found with sling well marking with upside down U and a 7.

Type A (M1), Variation 2 with Oval Oiler Slot (Type II) was found with sling well marking with RSG and 9 A.

Type A (M1), Variation 2 with Oval Oiler Slot (Type II) was found with sling well marking with 75 E RSG

Type A (M1), Variation 2 with Oval Oiler Slot (Type II) was found with sling well marking with RSG 88 F

Type A (M1), Variation 4 with Oval Oiler Slot with modified slide clearance cut and was found with sling well marking with RSG 105 B. This one noted use during late production.

There is no mention of Serial numbers ranges to the letter/number codes I could find.
Which leads me to think he was just using observations from examples he looked at.
Am I wrong ?
Where was Larry heading with this information? Did he believe the letter/number codes used by Saginaw SG had some rhyme and reason to them, maybe a increasing number and letter as production moved forward ?
IF Based on increasing number/letter codes... Could these have been based on Deliveries as accepted  by SG?
I've often thought the added markings could have been applied by a In House Stock Inspector at Saginaw, before assembly commenced in that stock. Assume they would have inspected deliveries and possibly used different gages and jigs to inspect them with. Maybe numbers/letters were related to order numbers/invoices. Letters to a inspection section and or shift.
I think back to the picture of a Robert Irwin worker checking the actions fit in a new made stock.
And would think SG would double check before wasting any labor on a stock to be found later to be out of spec.




There is also no mention of the Type II TRIMBLE TN stocks that were used by Saginaw SG.
2 examples pictured below.

I'm asking because I happened across a older post on Milsurps today from a member in Europe that showed his SG 3.37M that appears as Original.
His Sling Well is marked 1 digit below the 2nd example listed above of OI 40 A.

Here is SG 3,37 mil with OI 39 A in the Sling Well:













Has there been any Updates I'm not aware of with the Letter/Number markings found in Saginaw used stocks ?

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Post your findings here: SG Carbine stock Sling Well markings

1-S.G. Letter and Number Sling Well observations.
2-Stock Type (I, II, III)
3-Stock Maker's Letter Markings
4-Serial# if known

***Its OK to post observations of loose S.G. Stocks***

Requesting any one with or viewing a S.G. to reply

Thanks All,

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Marking Type Mfg SERIAL
6 B T2 High Oval RSG 3.25
7 T2 High Oval U
7 U T2 High Oval

8 A
rsg 3.26
8A


9 A T2 High Oval RSG
34 F T2 High Oval RSG 3.35
36 B T2 High Oval RSG 3.44
39 A
OI 3.37
40 A T1 I cut RMC
40 A T2 High Oval OI
41 B
TRIMBLE/SG
43 F T1 I cut RMC 3.34
45 D T2 High Oval OI 3.38
47 D T2 High Oval RSG
48 D
TRIMBLE/TSG 3.38
49 E T2 High Oval RSG 3.39
51 A T2 High Oval RSG 3.32
51 E T2 High Oval RSG
53 E T2 High Oval pos RSG 5.85
56 T2 High Oval RSG 3.4
S7 B T2 High Oval
3.4
62 C T2 High Oval RSG 3.42
67 C T2 High Oval RSG 3.47
75 E T2 High Oval RSG
76 F T2 High Oval RSG 3.5
78 A T3 ?
82 E T2 High Oval RSG
88 F T2 High Oval RSG
102 A T3 RSG 5.86
105 B T4 (modified)  RSG
105 F T1 I cut T3 RSG 5.56
G 105 T3 RSG 5.86



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Type A (M1), Variation 4 with Oval Oiler Slot with modified slide clearance cut and was found with sling well marking with RSG 105 B. This one noted use during late production.

5,86X,XXX 
Was featured in CCNL 356 and has the following noted on its datasheet  https://imgur.com/Povbck8
RSG
G
105

So there's another serial number to associate with those markings.



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to my knowledge no one has come up with anything other then just early were low numbers and higher numbers were higher serial codes-I have a file full of different numbers and letters at end--my lowest is 8A
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102A is highest--on a 586xxxx
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Are those Trimble stocks associated with SG receiver numbers?
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Post your findings here: SG Carbine stock Sling Well markings

1-S.G. Letter and Number Sling Well observations.
2-Stock Type (I, II, III)
3-Stock Maker's Letter Markings
4-Serial# if known

***Its OK to post observations of loose S.G. Stocks***


Any single digit in the Sling Well should be scrutinized for a weak stamp.


Number/letter. Stock Type. Stock maker. Serial # if available


6B High Type II RSG Serial# 3,256,01x
U7 High-TII (?) No Serial#
8A Type ? RSG Serial# 3,262,680
9A High-TII RSG No Serial#
34F High RSG 3,35 CCNL 341
39A High OI 3,37 NON COM
40A High- TI RMC No Serial#
40A High-TII OI No Serial#
41B High-TII TRIMBLE/TN+SG Ser# Unknown
SG and Bomb- High-Type II TRIMBLE TN Serial Unknown AA rebuild
43F High-TI RMC Ser# 3,348,822
45D High OI 3,38 CCNL 319
47E High-TII RSG No Serial# Stock Only
48D High (?) TRIMBLE TN/TSG 3,384 NON COM
49E High RSG 3,39 CCNL 319
51A High-TII (cut to TIII) RSG Serial# 3,328,8XX (?)
51E High-TII RSG No Serial# Stock Only
53E Possible High Type II (?) cut to Low- Type III RSG Serial# 5,858,07x
62C High RSG 3,42 CCNL 308
75E High-TII RSG No Serial#
82E High- Type II RSG  Stock Only
88F High-TII RSG No Serial#
102A Low- TIII RSG Serial# 5,861,526
105B Low RSG Only noted late production
105F Low RSG 5,56 CCNL 281
G105 Possible High- Type II cut to Low RSG  Serial# 5,866,260 COM CCNL 356

(?) Serial # when received. Not known if original to stock

**Mental NOTE: Need to check 2 COM's: CCNL 120 for SG 5,864,xxx
and NL 281 for SG 5,864,2xx **


****We need others to report on their SG Carbines. Or observations on loose S.G. stocks****

Include Sling Well markings-Numbers/letters along with stock makers markings.
Stock type: Hi-wood I cut- Type 1, Oval High wood- Type II, or Oval Low wood- Type III.
Serial number range.


All reports greatly Appreciated,

Charlie-Painter777


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Post your findings here: SG Carbine stock Sling Well markings

1-S.G. Letter and Number Sling Well observations.
2-Stock Type (I, II, III)
3-Stock Maker's Letter Markings
4-Serial# if known

***Its OK to post observations of loose S.G. Stocks***

Requesting any one with or viewing a S.G. to reply

Thanks All,

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Marking Type Mfg SERIAL
6 B T2 High Oval RSG 3.25
7 T2 High Oval U
7 U T2 High Oval

8 A
rsg 3.26
8A


9 A T2 High Oval RSG
34 F T2 High Oval RSG 3.35
36 B T2 High Oval RSG 3.44
39 A
OI 3.37
40 A T1 I cut RMC
40 A T2 High Oval OI
41 B
TRIMBLE/SG
43 F T1 I cut RMC 3.34
45 D T2 High Oval OI 3.38
47 D T2 High Oval RSG
48 D
TRIMBLE/TSG 3.38
49 E T2 High Oval RSG 3.39
51 A T2 High Oval RSG 3.32
51 E T2 High Oval RSG
53 E T2 High Oval pos RSG 5.85
56 T2 High Oval RSG 3.4
S7 B T2 High Oval
3.4
62 C T2 High Oval RSG 3.42
67 C T2 High Oval RSG 3.47
75 E T2 High Oval RSG
76 F T2 High Oval RSG 3.5
78 A T3 ?
82 E T2 High Oval RSG
88 F T2 High Oval RSG
102 A T3 RSG 5.86
105 B T4 (modified)  RSG
105 F T1 I cut T3 RSG 5.56
G 105 T3 RSG 5.86



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FWIW the 105 that was in CCNL 356 is a Type III or a Type II cut down.
https://i.imgur.com/Povbck8.jpg


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Here is one more stock to add to the listing.  It started life as a Type II, but the high wood was removed at some point.  Has a faint, but recognizable SG cartouche on the right handside.  When I purchased it, it held SG receiver #33288XX.


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Thx Jim77,
Appears to be 51 A.
With the 1 being Double struck or rebounded.

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I think that may be a 7 not a 1, 7 with a line through it, like the old days?
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Originally posted by W5USMC W5USMC wrote:

I think that may be a 7 not a 1, 7 with a line through it, like the old days?

I Zoomed and even had the Wife and her friend look at it for other opinions.
First they thought a 7 with the line thru it. But when looking closer it looks like a 1 with the top squiggly that has been double struck or rebounded.

Though not a very good picture above I have a picture of one of mine that has the TRIMBLE over TN,
with 41 and a B stamped over SG. If you look closely the 1 in my 41 has the same top detail as Jim77's 
51 A. Top of the 1 have a sorta ~ to them.

I also noticed Jim77's picture file was titled 51A, so I believe he thinks so also.

But It can be changed if I see a 7 has the same detail.

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ETA: I just pulled out 47E and the 7 has like a Serif top to it, looks nothing like the 1 pictured above.  
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Yes Charlie, I just zoomed in on it, agree a double stamped 1 not a 7.
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Didn't mean to cause so much controversy.  I have always thought it was 51 A, with the 1 being a double strike. I should have stated that. If true confirms they used individual number dies to apply these markings. Hopefully this new picture in brighter sun resolves the issue. Appears first strike was slightly off to the left.

 
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Can anyone with quick access to CCNL's 120 and 281 help me out?
Need to check 2 COM's: CCNL 120 for SG 5,864,xxx
and NL 281 for SG 5,864,2xx 

 Need:

1-S.G. Letter and Number Sling Well observations.
2-Stock Type (I, II, III)
3-Stock Maker's Letter Markings
4-Serial# if known

PM me or reply here.

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com 120 is a type III stock with 1/4" tall RSG and a larger oval O below it.
Com 281 is a type III stock , RSG  105F in sling well,.
COM 120 did not have SG in box on right side of stock just cross cannon
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Originally posted by Durango56 Durango56 wrote:

Com 281 is a type III stock , RSG  105F in sling well,.



COM 281 stock is I-cut, low wood.  The article suggests it may be a "floor sweep" carbine, made from whatever parts are available at the end of production.


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This SG stock and receiver looks like they are the original mates? Unfortunately can't see the first part of the serial number.  :(   Possibly a wide tange receiver.


____167

Highwood

Slingwell
RSG [large letters in middle]
S 7 B
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SN: 3,519,667
Highwood with oval cut.  (aka Type II)

TRIMBLE
   TN

B551

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