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    Posted: Dec 31 2015 at 2:16pm
January 2016-K

LOOKING AT MORE ROCK-OLA BUTTPLATES

The photo below left is from an original Rock-Ola in the 1.76 serial number range, and the one on the
right is from a 4 million range Rock-Ola carbine. Note that both buttplates appear to be of the same
pattern, differing only by the amount of wear of the die and wear by the end user. These bear little
resemblance to the buttplate found on the featured carbine (shown below right), the only apparent
similarity being the circular impression around the center boss. According to records published in War
Baby!, page 404, Rock-Ola only used one subcontractor for buttplates, but variations are known to exist.
If you have what appears to be a factory-original Rock-Ola carbine, please report the type pattern found
on the buttplate. We have a lot to learn about the patterns and usage of Rock-Ola buttplates.








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I always thought the early ones were identified by the missing dot at 3 o'clock, so this is not necessarily the case ??
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Yes, Chris- take a look at the Featured Carbine on the Forum. Although the "missing 3 o'clock dot" buttplate is commonly seen and reported on RMC carbines, this other type buttplate is apparently also "correct" for Rock-Ola. And then we have the odd pattern on the Featured Carbine! We've still got a lot to learn!   If everyone who has a RMC carbine that appears factory original (not rebuilt or restored) posts a photo of the buttplate, we may be able to make more definitive determinations. But as of now, we've got evidence that RMC used two, perhaps three different types of buttplate patterns. Thanks for your interest, Marty Black
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A closeup of a pic Kro posted in featured carbine



and here is a 3 o'clock butt plate.

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http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=532746500
This is where the picture came from.
Someone thought it was for a early Winchester when they put it together


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That top picture loos like a early Winchester.
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look closer, something is missing, actually a few.

http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/buttplates.html
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I guess I'm stumped ! I still think it's a early Winchester. They have that un-even splatter look around the screw hole and the missing dots 6 & 12 O'clock.

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QHMC also had the splatter as well as what we believe to be a post war plate. Its the details. It is Rock-ola that has the missing dots.

if you look at all the buttplates on main pages you will see that the three Winchester are somewhat consistent if you eliminate the splatter.
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Got it ! Your right, or at least consistent with the pictures in the Riesch book. LOL Thanks
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Hello Marty. I've been a member for almost a year now and I've recently an original 6,213,xxx Rockola. Here is a pic of its buttplate. It is in excellent condition with the missing 3 o'clock dot. I may submit a data sheet in the near future. All wear patterns are spot in different areas of the rifle. It is 6,000 rifles from end of production in May 1944.
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Thanks Utah, that's a great pic of the "classic" Rock-Ola buttplate. But we have evidence that the "other" style with the several missing dots was used in the 1, 4, and 6 million serial number blocks. How do we reconcile that, when Rock-Ola only had one subcontractor? Different machines (different stamping dies) in use at that subcontractor's facility, I guess.

Interesting - we'll look forward to see your data sheet or more photos. I imagine your carbine has the #2 barrel band and an adjustable rear sight.

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Here is the picture of the butt plate of 4547252.



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