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Soft Point Dilemma

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Topic: Soft Point Dilemma
Posted By: Sawbones
Subject: Soft Point Dilemma
Date Posted: Sep 13 2022 at 2:34pm
Off the shelf Sellier & Bellot cartridge 110gr FMJ OAL 1.654" chambers 100% of time rapid fire.
Off the shelf Sellier & Bellot cartridge 110gr Soft Point OAL 1.652" mis-feeds 100% time same magazine.  The nose of the projectile catches on the left rim of mouth of chamber preventing cartridge from entering chamber.

Thinking about shoving projectile deeper into casing.

Thoughts?




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Sometimes people deserve a high-five............in the face...........with a chair. Will Rogers



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Posted By: floydthecat
Date Posted: Sep 13 2022 at 2:56pm
That can be carbine specific, some feed ‘em and some don’t. Maybe polishing out the bump spot, tweak mag-lips, or use a single-stack magazine to place the nose in front of the chamber.


Posted By: Sawbones
Date Posted: Sep 13 2022 at 3:15pm
Single stack mag!!??  Where do I get one?


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Sometimes people deserve a high-five............in the face...........with a chair. Will Rogers


Posted By: floydthecat
Date Posted: Sep 13 2022 at 3:18pm
You will have to hold your nose and open your wallet. Universal black polymer mags will feed about anything, but asking prices are over the top and capacity is limited. None-the-less, they are good feeders. 


Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Sep 13 2022 at 3:31pm
Think that Numrich has the 4 round plastic mags for around $28 It will require a bit of sanding/filing to get it to fit the mag well correctly, roger walked me through the process when I tried one. Once fitted it feeds anything. I only use mine when nobody is around to see me using it.  LOL

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Wayne
USMC Retired
NRA Life Member


Posted By: floydthecat
Date Posted: Sep 13 2022 at 3:52pm
Yep….might take a little courage to install that Universal mag, but the darn things work. I have sort-of pursued getting some manufactured with greater capacity, but time being, my buddy 03 and I are working on a project to increase capacity. I use them for 30-caliber and a couple of carbines we have modified to other calibers. 

If one seeks these out, used ones are notorious for splitting in the rear web. Beware of what you buy.  


Posted By: Rebel92
Date Posted: Sep 13 2022 at 4:04pm
Originally posted by W5USMC W5USMC wrote:

Think that Numrich has the 4 round plastic mags for around $28 It will require a bit of sanding/filing to get it to fit the mag well correctly, roger walked me through the process when I tried one. Once fitted it feeds anything. I only use mine when nobody is around to see me using it.  LOL

Haha that made me LOL Wayne. I am always teasing Roger about his baby mags. He told me "he likes the little ones" what ever that is supposed to mean? 


Posted By: Rebel92
Date Posted: Sep 13 2022 at 4:06pm
I know my inland which will eat anything has had no problems with soft points. Now my 1.8 QHMC is the opposite, and will only feed/shoot milsurp reliably. 


Posted By: floydthecat
Date Posted: Sep 13 2022 at 4:10pm
One can whine, complain, grind or modify a receiver, magazine or ammo…..or use something that already works.😁


Posted By: Sawbones
Date Posted: Sep 13 2022 at 4:23pm
Yeah Rebel, ditto my Q.H.M.C.  It ate all those milsurps you sent w/o a single misfeed.  Hates soft points just like your Q.H.  Must be brand-unique. 


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Sometimes people deserve a high-five............in the face...........with a chair. Will Rogers


Posted By: Rebel92
Date Posted: Sep 13 2022 at 4:28pm
Originally posted by Sawbones Sawbones wrote:

Yeah Rebel, ditto my Q.H.M.C.  It ate all those milsurps you sent w/o a single misfeed.  Hates soft points just like your Q.H.  Must be brand-unique. 

at some point i think they made some changes with the barrel. Mine is an undated rock-ola barrel. someone will have the answers. 


Posted By: floydthecat
Date Posted: Sep 13 2022 at 4:37pm
Get a Universal mag…..😂.


Posted By: Sawbones
Date Posted: Sep 13 2022 at 4:52pm
Yeah Rebel, my Q.H. has an undated ROCK-OLA also.  the common denominator.


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Sometimes people deserve a high-five............in the face...........with a chair. Will Rogers


Posted By: Sawbones
Date Posted: Sep 13 2022 at 6:18pm
Hey floydthecat, where do I get a universal mag that'll work and where can I find instructions on how to whittle on it to make it work.
Thanx in advance.
sls


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Sometimes people deserve a high-five............in the face...........with a chair. Will Rogers


Posted By: David Milisock
Date Posted: Sep 13 2022 at 6:32pm
Originally posted by Rebel92 Rebel92 wrote:

Originally posted by Sawbones Sawbones wrote:

Yeah Rebel, ditto my Q.H.M.C.  It ate all those milsurps you sent w/o a single misfeed.  Hates soft points just like your Q.H.  Must be brand-unique. 

at some point i think they made some changes with the barrel. Mine is an undated rock-ola barrel. someone will have the answers. 

That's funny my Quality Hardware and my Inland eats all FMJ and all soft points I've ever tried except many years ago some Winchester hollow points.


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David Milisock


Posted By: floydthecat
Date Posted: Sep 13 2022 at 6:57pm
Originally posted by Sawbones Sawbones wrote:

Hey floydthecat, where do I get a universal mag that'll work and where can I find instructions on how to whittle on it to make it work.
Thanx in advance.
sls

Surf ebay and gunbroker, maybe others or just do a general google search for “universal m1 carbine magazine”. You might turn up GI mags as they also fit Universals, but you are looking for the Black Plastic 4-round mag.

Fitting is not a big issue and it might slip right in….depends on the carbine, but you just have to know what to polish….me and Wayne do.😁

Be sure and inquire about any splits or cracks. Many of them you see for sale are cracked in the rear web. That will never happen unless one tries to force in more that four rounds, or leaves the mag loaded for long periods of time.

You can pm me with an email address for pictures or additional help.


Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Sep 13 2022 at 7:44pm
https://www.gunpartscorp.com/products/544970B" rel="nofollow - Magazine, .30 Cal. Carbine, 4 Round, Lexan | Gun Parts Corp.

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Wayne
USMC Retired
NRA Life Member


Posted By: floydthecat
Date Posted: Sep 13 2022 at 7:56pm
Originally posted by W5USMC W5USMC wrote:

https://www.gunpartscorp.com/products/544970B" rel="nofollow - Magazine, .30 Cal. Carbine, 4 Round, Lexan | Gun Parts Corp.

Wayne nailed it. Prolly won’t find a better price. If you have trouble fitting, I will trade you one that is fitted.


Posted By: Sawbones
Date Posted: Sep 13 2022 at 8:07pm
Wayne,
Thanx-amundo!  Just bought one; 40 bucks w/ tax & shipping.  All I found elsewhere were pretty battered up used Universal stuff.  This one is brand new in box Iver Johnson manufactured made of Lexan plastic which is one of the hardest, toughest plastics on the planet.

Will this one need whittlin' on to make it fit in my carb.?

This will make my carb. a dandy hog gun down here in Texas.


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Sometimes people deserve a high-five............in the face...........with a chair. Will Rogers


Posted By: floydthecat
Date Posted: Sep 13 2022 at 8:24pm
Try it and see. If it’s too tight, we can help you fit it, but like I said above…..I will swap you one if you have difficulty. 


Posted By: Sawbones
Date Posted: Sep 19 2022 at 4:04pm
The 4 round mag. arrived from Numrich today.  Very tight fit in magazine well but soft points cycle as they should.  Was a real Hillary to get the empty mag. outa the well though.
'Zackly where do I whittle to get it to slide in/out easily w/o having to use a hammer?
Perhaps some pics w/ sticky paper applied to area(s) needing sanding?

Thanks in advance.




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Sometimes people deserve a high-five............in the face...........with a chair. Will Rogers


Posted By: floydthecat
Date Posted: Sep 19 2022 at 4:13pm
Originally posted by Sawbones Sawbones wrote:

The 4 round mag. arrived from Numrich today.  Very tight fit in magazine well but soft points cycle as they should.  Was a real Hillary to get the empty mag. outa the well though.
'Zackly where do I whittle to get it to slide in/out easily w/o having to use a hammer?
Perhaps some pics w/ sticky paper applied to area(s) needing sanding?

Thanks in advance. 

If you can manage to get it in and out, use it like that for a while. Metal defeats plastic in a wear contest and the mag will wear-in over use. But…..if it’s totally a PITA tight, your tape idea or a white marker to show where the rubs are will point to the issue. Usually….a little on either side of the runners on the back and maybe a tad in front on both sides of the ridge. I find using the flat edge of a bastard file will scrape it. One scissor-blade will also work. Pin knives are too week.

NOT TO MUCH all at once….work with it.

Do not use and strong cleaner or you will melt it. 

PS: I can mark one up and send you a pix?




Posted By: Sawbones
Date Posted: Sep 19 2022 at 4:50pm
Floydthecat,
I crammed it inand out a few times and see where the plastic is scored in the tight spots.  I was fixin' to put the caliper on the plastic and USGI and compare when I got your note.
I'll holler if I need the pics.


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Sometimes people deserve a high-five............in the face...........with a chair. Will Rogers


Posted By: Sawbones
Date Posted: Sep 19 2022 at 5:51pm
The resistance was in the rear top of the mag. just above the 2 parallel ridges that guide the mag. into the well.  Sanded that down as well as the ridges a little and now works very well.  In the future I would paint surfaces w/ Liquid Paper, let it dry, insert into well, withdraw and see where the Liquid paper is scraped off.  That would indicate where the resistance is.

Thanks again Floydthecat.


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Sometimes people deserve a high-five............in the face...........with a chair. Will Rogers


Posted By: Sawbones
Date Posted: Sep 19 2022 at 6:17pm
Du-u-uh-h, closer and smarter inspection of the plastic magazine and the Type 3 magazine catch on the carbine (the button ya push to jettison the magazine) reveals ya gotta depress the magazine catch button to facilitate insertion of the plastic magazine!  Doing so the magazine slips in slicker'n a Tootsie Roll Pop!  Could it possibly be the plastic magazine didn't need whittlin' at all??!!


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Sometimes people deserve a high-five............in the face...........with a chair. Will Rogers


Posted By: floydthecat
Date Posted: Sep 19 2022 at 6:34pm
Don’t beat yourself up too bad. Most of them do require a little fitting and it can be trigger housing specific. 


Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Sep 19 2022 at 6:54pm
And you said Sawbones that it was hard to remove when you first tried it, I assume that you were pressing the mag release then? Thinking the filing was needed.

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Wayne
USMC Retired
NRA Life Member


Posted By: Sawbones
Date Posted: Sep 19 2022 at 7:01pm
Yes, I was depressing the release button.  Upon further consideration I agree w/ you.  Initially I had to lightly tap it out w/ a wooden stick and hammer. Soon as I figure out how to post photos I'll send pics of where I sanded the surfaces.


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Sometimes people deserve a high-five............in the face...........with a chair. Will Rogers



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