TRIVIA QUESTION
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Topic: TRIVIA QUESTION
Posted By: Louis Losi
Subject: TRIVIA QUESTION
Date Posted: Feb 13 2022 at 11:02am
| Trivia question. In the 20th century, what was the first rifle adopted by the U.S. Ordnance Department that was designed and produced for the original cartridge it was intended to use? |
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Posted By: kro1970
Date Posted: Feb 13 2022 at 11:03pm
| M1 Carbine |
Posted By: Louis Losi
Date Posted: Feb 14 2022 at 5:25am
| No, not the M1 carbine. The trivia question has to do with a rifle not a carbine. |
Posted By: Louis Losi
Date Posted: Feb 14 2022 at 5:55am
Even if the trivia question included carbines, the M1 carbine is an incorrect answer.
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kro1970 wrote:Posted By: Oldboy53
Date Posted: Feb 14 2022 at 9:12am
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'03 Springfield? ------------- GSMC(SW),USN 2/77-11/89 |
Posted By: Louis Losi
Date Posted: Feb 14 2022 at 9:28am
No, not the '03 Springfield rifle which was originally designed for another cartridge, the 30-03 cartridge. Even the M1 rifle would be an incorrect answer as it was originally designed for the .276 cartridge.
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Posted By: DogDoc
Date Posted: Feb 14 2022 at 10:14am
| 1917 Eddystone. Just a guess but it was built around the 1903 M2 round if I recall correctly. |
Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Feb 14 2022 at 10:30am
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30-40 Krag smokeless ------------- JackP |
Posted By: Louis Losi
Date Posted: Feb 14 2022 at 11:00am
The M1917 rifle would be incorrect as it is a copy of the British Pattern 1914 rifle originally chambered for the .303 British cartridge.
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Posted By: Louis Losi
Date Posted: Feb 14 2022 at 11:15am
The .30-40 Government cartridge was developed for the Norwegian Krag Jorgensen Model 1898 rifle that was originally chambered for the 6.5 cartridge, so it would be an incorrect answer if the trivia question included rifles developed in the 19th century.
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Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Feb 14 2022 at 11:40am
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M14? ------------- Wayne USMC Retired NRA Life Member |
Posted By: Matt_X
Date Posted: Feb 14 2022 at 11:44am
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Seeing the above clues, I'm going to guess 7.62 x 51 for the M14. |
Posted By: Louis Losi
Date Posted: Feb 14 2022 at 12:10pm
The M14 is incorrect although it was the second rifle designed and produced for the original cartridge it was intended to use? This response is a clue to answering the trivia question.
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Posted By: Louis Losi
Date Posted: Feb 14 2022 at 12:13pm
Incorrect, same reply as above.
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Posted By: Bungalow Bill
Date Posted: Feb 14 2022 at 12:21pm
| Was the AR-10 officially adopted by Ordnance? |
Posted By: Quietus
Date Posted: Feb 14 2022 at 12:42pm
| BAR. |
Posted By: Quietus
Date Posted: Feb 14 2022 at 12:44pm
| Or if the BAR is considered to be a light MG, then the 1941 Johnson. |
Posted By: Louis Losi
Date Posted: Feb 14 2022 at 12:53pm
The Model 1917 Browning Automatic Rifle(BAR) is the correct answer to the trivia question.
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Posted By: Louis Losi
Date Posted: Feb 14 2022 at 12:56pm
The BAR is a rifle. The Johnson rifle was never adopted by the U.S. Ordnance Department.
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Posted By: Louis Losi
Date Posted: Feb 14 2022 at 1:06pm
No, the AR10 rifle was never adopted by the U.S. Ordnance Department nor procured by branches of the military. Select fire AR15 rifles were procured, not adopted, until the M16(same rifle) was adopted by the U.S. Ordnance Department.
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Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Feb 14 2022 at 1:25pm
But isn't the BAR an M1918?? ------------- Wayne USMC Retired NRA Life Member |
Posted By: Matt_X
Date Posted: Feb 14 2022 at 1:33pm
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I recall seeing a discussion of that - prob on Forgotten Weapons or maybe David Albert here? IIRC the M designation system came later, and was the not the originally adopted designation. |
Posted By: Louis Losi
Date Posted: Feb 14 2022 at 2:58pm
I apologize for my error, it is the Model of1918 BAR.
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Posted By: Louis Losi
Date Posted: Feb 14 2022 at 3:34pm
This can be confusing but if you can remember that beginning on July 1, 1925 the U.S. Ordnance Department began using the M designation with a number, not a year, for newly adopted items, all beginning with M1. What is confusing is there are pre-1925 items with a year designation that were not adopted by the U.S. Ordnance Department that are thought to be adopted. One example is the Model 1921 Thompson submachine gun. It is a commercial, not military, designation. Post 1925 examples are the Model 1928 Thompson submachine gun and Model 1942 Johnson rifle which would have had an M designation with a number, not a year, had they been adopted by the U. S. Ordnance Department. These are commercial designations. Yes, both the Thompson and the Johnson were used in WWII but they were procured, or adopted, by individual branches of the military.
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Posted By: floydthecat
Date Posted: Feb 14 2022 at 3:42pm
| M3 might have been a good guess, but it’s not a “rifle” either. |
Posted By: Louis Losi
Date Posted: Feb 14 2022 at 3:52pm
The M3 submachine gun would lose to the M1 submachine gun and both, still, would lose to the M1918 Browning Automatic Rifle.
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Posted By: floydthecat
Date Posted: Feb 14 2022 at 4:31pm
| Figured I was wrong, but fekt like I should contribute anyways…😁. |
Posted By: Louis Losi
Date Posted: Feb 14 2022 at 4:49pm
You did the correct thing, that's the only way information gets out to others.
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Posted By: Quietus
Date Posted: Feb 14 2022 at 5:43pm
| So what do I win? Maybe an ultra rare SETH-OLA? |
Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Feb 14 2022 at 6:02pm
You win free membership to the Carbine Collector's Club Forum.   ------------- Wayne USMC Retired NRA Life Member |
Posted By: Louis Losi
Date Posted: Feb 14 2022 at 6:23pm
In WWII, the T29 was a project to produce the .45 M3 submachine gun with a more powerful cartridge, the .30 carbine cartridge. The project ended with the more advanced development of what would eventually be adopted as the M2 carbine.
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Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Feb 14 2022 at 6:44pm
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M2 carbine or the M2 (Hyde) submachine gun? ------------- http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/club-assistance-saginaw-receivers_topic4716.html" rel="nofollow - Club Survey Saginaw Receivers |
Posted By: Louis Losi
Date Posted: Feb 14 2022 at 6:59pm
The M2 carbine. The .45 M3 submachine gun had already replaced the short lived M2 submachine gun.
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Posted By: Louis Losi
Date Posted: Feb 18 2022 at 10:23am
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TRIVIA QUESTION Although not adopted, the M1 carbine was responsible for the development of what weapon?
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Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Feb 18 2022 at 5:45pm
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Johnson 5.7mm "spitfire" Carbine ------------- Wayne USMC Retired NRA Life Member |
Posted By: Louis Losi
Date Posted: Feb 18 2022 at 6:02pm
| I should have indicated my trivia question is related to WWII. The Johnson Spitfire Carbine was an 1960s conversion of the M1 carbine for commercial sales. |
Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Feb 18 2022 at 6:17pm
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60's yes but reportedly Mel Johnson demonstrated his "spitfire" carbine at Aberdeen in hopes that the Ordnance Dept would be interested. ------------- Wayne USMC Retired NRA Life Member |
Posted By: Louis Losi
Date Posted: Feb 18 2022 at 6:23pm
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I will rephrase my trivia question. Although not adopted, the M1 carbine was responsible for the WWII Ordnance Department development of what weapon?
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Posted By: Quietus
Date Posted: Feb 18 2022 at 8:26pm
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Could it be a semi-automatic in .50 BMG? There was a thread and a Forgotten Weapons video over on the CMP Carbine Forum a couple days back. Didn't watch it. Thrust of the OP was that it shared some features with the M1 Carbine, and that David Williams had something to do with the design, and that our brothers in the frozen North had tested it as an anti-tank rifle. Other commenters disagreed on the shared features. This is a long shot, indeed.
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Posted By: Louis Losi
Date Posted: Feb 18 2022 at 8:42pm
No, unrelated to the .50 BMG cartridge or David Williams. |
Posted By: Smokpole
Date Posted: Feb 19 2022 at 1:04pm
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Thinking short stroke piston.... ------------- OGCA Life member NRA Life member Ashtabula Rod and Gun Life member |
Posted By: Louis Losi
Date Posted: Feb 19 2022 at 2:06pm
No, Smokpole, not a short stroke piston. A clue to the answer is "the long-standing dissatisfaction with the range, lethality and foliage penetration of the M1 carbine." To develop a carbine length weapon with none of the M1 carbine's disadvantages. Most will be familiar with the answer, but not having equated it to the M1 carbine.
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Posted By: Smokpole
Date Posted: Feb 19 2022 at 10:12pm
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M-16/5.56MM? ------------- OGCA Life member NRA Life member Ashtabula Rod and Gun Life member |
Posted By: Louis Losi
Date Posted: Feb 20 2022 at 5:39am
| Final clues. A carbine size weapon firing the M2 ball rifle cartridge(30-06) for use in the Pacific during WWII but never adopted. |
Posted By: Quietus
Date Posted: Feb 20 2022 at 9:15am
| T26 aka "tanker." |
Posted By: Louis Losi
Date Posted: Feb 20 2022 at 1:20pm
Quietus, you correctly answered the trivia question.   |
Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Feb 20 2022 at 1:33pm
Quietus is on a roll!!  ------------- Wayne USMC Retired NRA Life Member |
Posted By: Louis Losi
Date Posted: Feb 28 2022 at 10:48am
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Trivia Question. The M1 carbine's barrel length is 18", which classifies it as a carbine. Identify the U.S. rifle with the longest barrel length used in WWII?
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Posted By: Smokpole
Date Posted: Feb 28 2022 at 12:25pm
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I have to disagree with the proposition that the tanker was the first. The T3 carbine was developed before the tanker. Both were variants of the parent firearm utilizing modified parts. The T3 actually had a change to the receiver as well as other parts, while the tanker used the same receiver with modified parts. The T3 was developed in 44 while the tanker was developed in 45. The T3 WAS standardized as the M3. ------------- OGCA Life member NRA Life member Ashtabula Rod and Gun Life member |
Posted By: Smokpole
Date Posted: Feb 28 2022 at 12:26pm
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Boys antitank rifle? ------------- OGCA Life member NRA Life member Ashtabula Rod and Gun Life member |
Posted By: Quietus
Date Posted: Feb 28 2022 at 4:02pm
| US Rifle, M1917. Aka Enfield from Winchester, Remington, and Eddystone. |
Posted By: Louis Losi
Date Posted: Feb 28 2022 at 4:03pm
The boys antitank rifle is British, but if it was U.S. it wouldn't be the longest U.S. rifle barrel used in WWII.
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Posted By: Louis Losi
Date Posted: Feb 28 2022 at 4:06pm
No, Quietus, the M1917 rifle does not have the longest rifle barrel used in WWII.
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Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Feb 28 2022 at 5:11pm
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M20 recoilless rifle. ------------- Wayne USMC Retired NRA Life Member |
Posted By: Louis Losi
Date Posted: Feb 28 2022 at 5:52pm
Good guess, W5USMC, but there's one rifle barrel that's longer.
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Posted By: Louis Losi
Date Posted: Mar 02 2022 at 11:24am
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Clue to solving the trivia question. This rifle will not be found on land.
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Posted By: Smokpole
Date Posted: Mar 02 2022 at 9:18pm
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16 inch rifle on a battleship? ------------- OGCA Life member NRA Life member Ashtabula Rod and Gun Life member |
Posted By: Louis Losi
Date Posted: Mar 03 2022 at 5:54am
You are correct Smokepole. Iowa class battleships have 16 inch guns and their 66 foot long barrels are rifles. "After the guns were fired, each rifle barrel had to be cleaned. Unlike small caliber guns which can be field-stripped, the guns aboard an Iowa-class battleship could not be disassembled, so the gunners mates assigned the job of cleaning the rifles required a full day or more to ensure that the barrels were correctly and adequately cleaned. To clean the rifles, a bore brush was lifted by two sailors and inserted into the gun barrel, where it was pulled through the rifle with the same equipment used to load the shells. Within the turret, crewmen checked to ensure that the breech fittings were properly cleaned and lubricated, while sailors outside the turret scraped off soot, and painted over flash burns left from the explosive expulsion of the 16-inch shells from the gun barrels."
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Posted By: Louis Losi
Date Posted: Jan 18 2023 at 9:42pm
Identify this item.  |
Posted By: Smokpole
Date Posted: Jan 18 2023 at 9:56pm
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Case deflector for the sniper scoped carbine? ------------- OGCA Life member NRA Life member Ashtabula Rod and Gun Life member |
Posted By: Smokpole
Date Posted: Jan 18 2023 at 10:15pm
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Correction....Part of the Dutch blank firing assembly. it is the deflector that attaches to the rear sight. It is the blank cartridge deflector. ------------- OGCA Life member NRA Life member Ashtabula Rod and Gun Life member |
Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Jan 18 2023 at 10:58pm
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Not a case deflector. ------------- Wayne USMC Retired NRA Life Member |
Posted By: Louis Losi
Date Posted: Jan 19 2023 at 11:11am
Your answer is incorrect. Louis Losi
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Posted By: Louis Losi
Date Posted: Jan 19 2023 at 11:13am
Your answer is incorrect.
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Posted By: Louis Losi
Date Posted: Jan 19 2023 at 11:15am
It is not a case deflector, but what is it?
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Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Jan 19 2023 at 11:40am
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Often advertised as a case deflector it is actually a Breech Shield used with the Dutch BFA to prevent gases, unburnt powder and debris from flying back into the shooters face when firing blank rounds. ------------- Wayne USMC Retired NRA Life Member |
Posted By: Louis Losi
Date Posted: Jan 19 2023 at 3:42pm
Your answer is correct. Items 9 and 10 from the September 1966 American Rifleman article BLANK FIRING ATTACHMENTS pictures the M1 carbine blank firing adapter and the guard. Louis Losi   |
Posted By: Smokpole
Date Posted: Jan 19 2023 at 7:31pm
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According to WBII it is a case deflector. Don't tell me Ruth was wrong! O MY! ------------- OGCA Life member NRA Life member Ashtabula Rod and Gun Life member |
Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Jan 19 2023 at 8:09pm
Many books when published were believed to have accurate information, but at times new information comes to light. So back in 1993 Larry though this to be accurate. I will check Larry's list of corrections to see if he was planning on updating this information, as he did in WB 3 for anything he found needing a correction. This device was reported to the club by Bill Ricca and published in CCNL 14 Dec 1977. Bill points out that the M6 should not be used with the Dutch device. Then in 2013 there were internet sales advertising them as "Original WW2 or later M1 Carbine Brass Case Deflectors" CCNL 378 reports of these sales. The author of that report quips "it is indeed 'or later' " More information was added in CCNL 384, by the same person, who happens to be the OP of this thread. What is interesting is if you look at WB page 793 you will learn this device was used with plastic blank bullets that just had a brass base. If it was a deflector, then it would be a Plastic Case Deflector. CCNL 231-3, 283-7, and 352-2 reports the NMW ammo. For anyone interested in how this Breech Shield fits on a carbine, take a look at the following link. https://www.ebay.com/itm/295458321038" rel="nofollow - https://www.ebay.com/itm/ So clearly this is a case where the incorrect information sticks in peoples minds. Thanks to Louis for bringing it up for us to discuss. I will take a picture of the blanks and upload later. ------------- http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/club-assistance-saginaw-receivers_topic4716.html" rel="nofollow - Club Survey Saginaw Receivers |
Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Jan 20 2023 at 5:59pm
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Posted By: Louis Losi
Date Posted: Jan 20 2023 at 7:49pm
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TRIVIA QUESTION What does the M1 carbine and another weapon have in common? Identifying the weapon will help to answer the trivia question. Louis Losi
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Posted By: sling00
Date Posted: Jan 21 2023 at 6:32am
| Any chance this is a trick question and its commonality with the M2 carbine? |
Posted By: Louis Losi
Date Posted: Jan 21 2023 at 6:48am
No, the other weapon is unrelated to the M1 carbine or it's variations.
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Posted By: Oldboy53
Date Posted: Jan 21 2023 at 8:24am
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Butt plate screw, Garand? ------------- GSMC(SW),USN 2/77-11/89 |
Posted By: Louis Losi
Date Posted: Jan 21 2023 at 11:30am
Incorrect answer, not the M1 rifle. I believe the M1 rifle and 03 Springfield rifle use the same long butt plate screw.
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Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Jan 21 2023 at 2:57pm
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That short butt plate screw was used on many weapons. I believe the Thompson, M1917 and others. When I searched the part number it was even used on a tank. Seem it was a standard type screw used by ordnance in many applications. ------------- http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/club-assistance-saginaw-receivers_topic4716.html" rel="nofollow - Club Survey Saginaw Receivers |
Posted By: Quietus
Date Posted: Jan 21 2023 at 3:46pm
| "... have in common?" The carbine's type 2 rear sight and the rear sight on the M1903A3 are similar but not the same. Both have a dovetail (reverse execution, one to the other), similar protective wings, a windage knob, and an aperture that slides up a ramp (the M1903A3 ramp goes to 800y or past, the carbine's ramp goes to 300y). |
Posted By: Louis Losi
Date Posted: Jan 22 2023 at 7:00pm
Clue to answering the trivia question. This is a picture of the M1 carbine oiler issued with the still unidentified weapon. There is one other item the M1 carbine has in common with this weapon. What is the other item and the weapon.  |
Posted By: Jond41403
Date Posted: Jan 22 2023 at 8:16pm
| Thompson submachine gun? Just a WAG haha |
Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Jan 22 2023 at 8:29pm
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M3 submachine gun, also used the same sling as the carbine. ------------- JackP |
Posted By: Louis Losi
Date Posted: Jan 22 2023 at 8:36pm
Incorrect answer.
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Posted By: Louis Losi
Date Posted: Jan 22 2023 at 8:44pm
Correct. The M1 carbine and the M3 submachine gun share the M1 carbine's oiler and sling. The M3A1 submachine gun has it's own oiler built into the grip and only uses the M1 carbine sling. Louis Losi
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Posted By: Louis Losi
Date Posted: Jan 22 2023 at 9:13pm
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M3/M3A1 submachine gun trivia. Adaption of the M3A1 submachine included a modified stock that would also be used on existing M3 submachine guns. It wasn't only a stock. What else was the stock?
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Posted By: arthur
Date Posted: Jan 22 2023 at 9:50pm
| Barrel Wrench. |
Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Jan 22 2023 at 10:13pm
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the m3 platform had one more thing tied with the M1 Carbine. What was it?
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Posted By: Louis Losi
Date Posted: Jan 23 2023 at 5:38am
Correct, flats were milled on the barrel nut, so with the stock removed, squeezing the stock legs against the barrel nut flats gave the leverage to remove the barrel nut which secures the barrel in place. What two other uses are there for the M3/M3A1 stock?
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Posted By: Louis Losi
Date Posted: Jan 24 2023 at 3:51pm
Answer to trivia question. In addition to being a butt stock are three other uses. The first use, removing the barrel nut, was previously answered. Te second use is a cleaning rod, the ends of the stock are internally threaded to accomodate a bore cleaning brush. The third use is a magazine loader. Two pictures demonstrate barrel removal and magazine loading. Louis Losi   |
Posted By: sling00
Date Posted: Jan 25 2023 at 10:29am
| I keep seeing the M1 Garand butt plate short screw is the same as the M1 carbine's butt plate screw. Not having any luck with dwg numbers. |
Posted By: Matt_X
Date Posted: Jan 25 2023 at 1:32pm
It's in Niclolaus's book of diagrams. part number / Drawing number 6147873 on paper size B. Rock Island Arsenal In the revision box F 26 Aug 60 G Redrawn and Revised 27 Nov 63 ... There is a list of Applications on the lower left including M79 launcher, M14E2, Shotgun 12 ga. |
Posted By: Louis Losi
Date Posted: Feb 08 2023 at 5:59pm
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REVOLVER TRIVIA If you can identify this revolver, you may know why it has an oversize trigger guard. 
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Posted By: hunterman
Date Posted: Feb 08 2023 at 10:31pm
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Model 1878 Frontier Colt, oversized trigger guard to accommodate large double action trigger and trigger system. |
Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Feb 08 2023 at 11:02pm
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AKA the M1902 Philippine.
------------- Wayne USMC Retired NRA Life Member |
Posted By: Louis Losi
Date Posted: Feb 09 2023 at 12:25pm
Incorrect answer.
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Posted By: Louis Losi
Date Posted: Feb 09 2023 at 12:29pm
Correct, it is the Colt Model 1902 revolver known as the Philipine and also the Alaskan model. But wh does it hve an oversize trigger guard?
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Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Feb 09 2023 at 3:46pm
Actually, hunterman is correct also. In 1902, 4,600 Model 1878 revolvers were produced for a U.S. Army contract. These revolvers had 6-inch barrels, hard rubber grips, and were chambered for the .45 Colt round. They had strengthened mainsprings and longer triggers to give the user more leverage, resulting in larger trigger guards. Many people have incorrectly assumed that this was to allow the revolver to be operated while wearing gloves, so "Alaskan Model" is a misnomer. These revolvers are unofficially designated the Model 1902 (M1902). ------------- Wayne USMC Retired NRA Life Member |
Posted By: Louis Losi
Date Posted: Feb 09 2023 at 7:53pm
I will answer the trivia question because neither of the responses mentions the reason for the oversize trigger guard. First, it is the Model 1902, not Model 1878, which is stamped 1902 on the lower right side of the frame above the rear of the trigger guard. The Colt Model 1878 double action revolver was available chambered for the .45 Colt cartridge. The Colt Model 1902 double action revolver was chambered for the .45 Colt cartridge. So, if the Colt Model 1878 double action revolver and the Colt Model 1902 double action revolver were both chambered for the .45 Colt cartridge, why would there be an oversize trigger guard on the Colt Model 1902 double action revolver? The answer is military cartridges use a harder primer than commercial cartridges. The Colt Model 1878 double action revolver was unreliable firing the military .45 Colt cartridges with hard primers. The solution was a stronger main spring to overcome this problem and the oversize trigger guard and trigger gave the leverage to overcome the strength of the stronger main spring. So, the answer to the question why does the Colt Model 1902 double action revolver have an oversize trigger guard is "hard military primers". Louis Losi
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Posted By: Louis Losi
Date Posted: Feb 12 2023 at 7:15pm
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M1 CARBINE TRIVIA What 1943 event resulted in the M1 carbine being declared Substitute Standard?
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Posted By: Quietus
Date Posted: Feb 12 2023 at 8:40pm
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I guess because the M3 subgun was cheaper to make, that it moved up in desirability for purchase v the M1 carbine. It passed accuracy tests to 100 yards. How about two guesses? Maybe the M2 version of the carbine was deemed to be the wave of the future?
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Posted By: Louis Losi
Date Posted: Feb 12 2023 at 8:52pm
Incorrect answers.
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Posted By: SSNPingjockey
Date Posted: Feb 13 2023 at 4:56pm
Does not look like this question was answered to satisfaction…or maybe it was…can’t tell. Regardless…here is an interesting firearm that I only learned about by researching oilers a few years ago. The M2 Hyde-Inland/Marlin. It had a similar oiler to the M1 Carbine, except for the oiler cap that had a locking mechanism lug pattern to hold it in a recessed hole in the butt plate. It was also similar in that it involved both Inland and Marlin, both primary contractor and subcontractor for M1 Carbines. Additionally, had a similar front band and hand guard configuration with the same retaining spring design. If you look at the link below, you see a lot of M1 carbine design similarities. https://smallarmsreview.com/the-hyde-inland-u-s-m2-submachine-gun/" rel="nofollow - https://smallarmsreview.com/the-hyde-inland-u-s-m2-submachine-gun/ Chad ------------- Chad USN Retired |