1945 Winchester front band
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Topic: 1945 Winchester front band
Posted By: parmel43
Subject: 1945 Winchester front band
Date Posted: Sep 26 2021 at 10:33am
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I have attached a close up of my Winchester front band. I would appreciate any thoughts as to whether this is the correct production C stamping for the band or if this is the after war production.  |
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Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Sep 26 2021 at 1:14pm
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Not a Winchester Barrel Band, the Barrel Band that you have pictured was Made by C. Cowles and Co. and is a replacement part. ------------- Wayne USMC Retired NRA Life Member |
Posted By: parmel43
Date Posted: Sep 26 2021 at 1:19pm
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Thanks for the quick and complete reply. |
Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Sep 26 2021 at 2:30pm
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For clarity, C. Cowles did make bands for Winchester marked with the C higher. As pointed out the low C is believed to be a post war or replacement contract
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Posted By: parmel43
Date Posted: Sep 28 2021 at 11:27am
| thanks for additional info. Would appear to be difficult to separate low C or High C timing? |
Posted By: tenOCEE
Date Posted: Sep 30 2021 at 12:14pm
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WWII is the timing. One is wartime. The low C is a post war replacement. Exactly when, I don't know but it could be determined, I suppose, by looking up the contract for them. ------------- My sig: Seen an IP or S'G'? Add it to my registry. We'll check consecutives. https://grandrapids.wufoo.com/forms/zzlnt0519k86xs/" rel="nofollow - https://grandrapids.wufoo.com/forms/zzlnt0519k86xs/ |
Posted By: Why Carbines?
Date Posted: Sep 30 2021 at 2:20pm
Hmm, spelling the same word incorrectly time after time is similar to Einstein's quote about insanity. 
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Posted By: RWS-67
Date Posted: Sep 30 2021 at 3:15pm
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C- Cowells Co. from New Haven Ct. is still in business. They've moved from there to North Haven Ct., and are now in the former Marlin Firearms facility that supplied barrels & stocks during WW2 Only 5 + miles north off I-91. Their N.H. facility, was at the time less than 1.5 miles from the Winchester facility. Hope this helps.... |
Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Sep 30 2021 at 3:21pm
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The correct name of the company is C. Cowles. https://www.ccowles.com/" rel="nofollow - C. COWLES & COMPANY – Established 1838 (ccowles.com) ------------- Wayne USMC Retired NRA Life Member |
Posted By: RWS-67
Date Posted: Sep 30 2021 at 3:38pm
| WELL EXCUSE MEEEE............ |
Posted By: HammerGrunt
Date Posted: Sep 30 2021 at 5:57pm
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I just learned about the correct location / orientation of the World War II stamped C for this type barrel band as well. Here’s a picture of the correct wartime C. Cowles “central” C stamp location for a Winchester.  |
Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Sep 30 2021 at 6:36pm
Its part of the job description, but Einstein is misattributed for that quote as there is no evidence that he ever said it. ------------- http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/club-assistance-saginaw-receivers_topic4716.html" rel="nofollow - Club Survey Saginaw Receivers |
Why Carbines? wrote:Posted By: Why Carbines?
Date Posted: Oct 01 2021 at 11:17am
Yep, definitely a party pooper. Of course the point was missed totally. My guess is someone thinks they know something about everything and nothing has ever stopped them from expanding the airwaves with lots of BS. 
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Posted By: parmel43
Date Posted: Dec 27 2021 at 12:19pm
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Great photo of the WWII WRA carbine barrel band. Answered my question fully. |
Posted By: HARLEY08
Date Posted: Jul 28 2022 at 6:43pm
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The C marked band IS original to late WRA Carbines. Mine cane out of the Winchester Musuem and it has the C band! ------------- M1DB |
Posted By: Smoky 1
Date Posted: Nov 20 2022 at 10:44am
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Here is another band problem maybe we can sort out. As I understand, proof marks on Win. barrels are, The W is 5 7/8 in. from the muzzle and pw in the ovel is 7 1/2 in from the muzzle for the typ 2 band. I have a 5.76 Winchester that I believe to be as it left the factory. The proof on the Win. barrel are W is 2.7/8 from the muzzle and the pw in the ovel is 4.7/8 from the muzzle and has a typ 3 low C band and you can see both proofs. Can some one tell me why this different from what I read. Date, ser#, ww2, post war ect. Thanks all for info.
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Posted By: GotSnlB28
Date Posted: Nov 20 2022 at 7:13pm
Good pictures of your rifle including the front sight staking would help assess the originality. |
Posted By: Smoky 1
Date Posted: Nov 22 2022 at 1:02pm
I hope the pictures work ok. they are not real good.      
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