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Topic: Feature, Inland 931 First Commando Fiji Guerillas
Posted By: hunterman
Subject: Feature, Inland 931 First Commando Fiji Guerillas
Date Posted: Dec 06 2020 at 11:12pm
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Inland 931 – First Commando Fiji Guerillas

                                                                         By Glen Collier


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After the end of World War II, Inland 931 was reportedly obtained from Charlie Tripp, a New Zealand farmer-rancher who had served in the New Zealand Army.  Research shows Charles William Howard Tripp was born in Timaru, New Zealand on February 22, 1902.  With the outbreak of World War II, Tripp enlisted in the New Zealand Army for New Zealand’s Second Expeditionary Force (2NZEF).  The first expeditionary force was in World War I.  The Nominal Role for 2NZEF shows two embarkations for Tripp.

On January 14, 1942, NCO Charles William Howard Tripp arrived in Fiji as part of the 36th Battalion of the 2NZEF.  The purpose was to train for jungle warfare and to set up the Fiji Defense Force.  In April 1942, Lieutenant Tripp was given command of the Southern Independent Commandos.  In July 1942, the Americans arrived to take over the defense of Fiji and most of the 36th Battalion returned home.  Tripp and his commandos stayed with the Americans.  In January 1943, Captain Tripp received orders to form the First Commando Fiji Guerillas from selected New Zealand and indigenous Fiji personnel.  The unit was advised to be prepared to move to the Solomon Islands on short notice.   Tripp and his guerillas worked as scouts for the Americans and as Commandos behind the Japanese lines in and around the Solomons, including Guadalcanal.  The Fiji guerillas, adept at operating in the jungle, were lethal.  It was said that “when the Fiji Commandos raid at night, death wears velvet gloves.”

A rare and obscure book entitled Pacific Commandos, New Zealanders and Fijian in Action, A history of the Southern Independent Commando and First Commando Fiji Guerillas, by Colin R. Larsen, details the activities of the Fiji guerillas under Tripp’s leadership.  There is mention of Tripp and a carbine, written in a sensationalized manner.

During the main battle a Japanese machine-gun opened up on Captain Tripp at ten yards' range. Captain Tripp happened to be carrying an American Carbine which he was trying out for the first time—it was also the last for it failed to fire and he threw it at the Japanese. He then dived into the fern. The Japanese threw grenades all round him, and he ran back past George Conn who was then under good cover. Then a dozen Japanese came towards Captain Tripp from another direction, so he crouched in some undergrowth. One of the enemy came straight towards him; this one he shot with his automatic pistol. He then got back to his patrol and ordered them to withdraw, and it was at this stage that the patrol split up. Captain Tripp and some Tongans soon ran into more fire whereupon they took cover and awaited for darkness.

At dusk, the Japanese, who had a rough idea of the position of the commandos, started shelling them with mortars. These shells forced them from their hiding places. After travelling half a mile they were about to bivouac for the night when they found that they were still in the middle of strong enemy positions. A Japanese jumped out of a foxhole and grabbed Captain Tripp round the waist, turning him square on to the hole. Another Japanese, in the foxhole, laid his rifle across the first man's shoulder and fired. Captain Tripp was shooting the bottom man with his pistol when the top man was shooting him, and he fell over backwards with the impact of the bullet. The bullet did not penetrate the flesh as it was deflected by a clip of cartridges and a cigarette lighter, and Captain Tripp was able to shoot the other Japanese before he got to his feet again.


Tripp’s family provided this photograph of the items in his pocket that deflected the Japanese bullet.


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Because casualties and disease had depleted the unit, Major Tripp’s First Commando Fiji Guerillas was disbanded on May 27, 1944.  For his service during World War II, Major Charles William Howard Tripp received the following:

         Distinguished Service Order 1939-45 Star

         Pacific Star

         Defence Medal (NZ)

         War Medal 1939-45

         New Zealand War Service Medal

         Silver Star (USA)


It is worth noting that of the six Silver Stars (USA) awarded to New Zealanders in World War II, three were presented to Commandos.

Tripp died in 1991 and is buried in Woodbury Cemetery, Woodbury, Timaru District, Canterbury, New Zealand.

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Inland delivery of M1 carbines to fulfill its military contract began in June 1942 with 362 deliveries, according to War Baby!, page 361.  Due to subsequent modifications, several features are found only on the earliest Inland carbines, such as Inland 931.  

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The 6-42 barrel is proofed with a large “P” with serifs. According to CC NL #346, dated March 2008, the highest reported serial number with a serif “P” barrel proof was 3,546 with a 7-42 dated barrel.

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The Type I rear sight is marked with a round serif “S” on the left side.  This mark on flip sights is found on original early Inlands and Winchesters.

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The Type I trigger housing, with bevels on the front and back, has some other distinguishing features.

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One such feature is the lack of hammer spring recess.  Inland 931 trigger housing (on the left) with no hammer spring recess, is compared to later trigger housing with a recess for the hammer spring (on the right).  This modification was no doubt a welcome one for anyone re-assembling the carbine.

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The ordnance bomb on the left side of the trigger housing is believed to be an inspector stamp.  CCNL 346-18, page 18 mentions a small flaming bomb on the left side of early Inland trigger housings.

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The extractor and extractor plunger are Type I.  The cone of the extractor plunger fits into the V-notch of the extractor.  This combination was known for causing the bolt to come apart when firing.  According to War Baby!, page 300, carbine production in February 1943 was held up until this problem was resolved.

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The solution was the Type II extractor, which was made by reworking the Type I.  Note the larger cut and the change in the lip of the extractor.  Also, the plunger was changed from a solid cone to a cone with a flat side.

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A later redesign produced the Type III extractor with the flat lip.  There was no change in the extractor plunger.

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The top of the cam cut on the operating side is straight flat on Inland 931.  A review of Inland Carbines of the Month in Carbine Club Newsletters shows that at least by serial number 107316, with a 12-42 barrel date, the cut was heart shaped.

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The earliest Inlands did not have the crossed cannons acceptance stamp on the right side of the stock. Instead, they were in the sling well.  The I-cut stock for Inland 931 has small crossed cannons with an “O” and ordnance bomb in the sling well.  According to CC NL #333-4, this is the earliest Inland sling well marking.

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The inside of the handguard is marked with a flaming bomb and only an O” as opposed to an “OI” on the usual side rails of the handguard.

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The flat of the 6-42 Inland barrel has only a few “hieroglyphs” compared to later serial numbers.

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The flaming bomb seen near the gas port has been reported for barrels dated 5-42 to 9-42 (CC NL #346-6).

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High wood stocks were susceptible to breaking, and this was not unique to early Inlands.  Note the neat repair with screws to the damaged high wood on the Inland 931 stock.

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The ears of the front sight on Inland 931 have been removed.  This is said to be of benefit in low light conditions, such as those involved in jungle combat.

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After the end of World War II, a New Zealand farmer-rancher turned military weapons collector acquired Inland 931 from Charles Tripp, who was an acquaintance.  The carbine was inherited by the collector’s son and it remained in the family collection until offered for sale in 2020.  The seller described Tripp as having worked behind the enemy lines in Burma and the Pacific Islands.  No evidence of Tripp’s involvement in Burma was found.  However, research shows there is little record of those who participated in those operations.

On March 15, 2019, a mass murder occurred in a New Zealand mosque.  The New Zealand government quickly enacted strict gun control measures making most semiautomatic and military-style weapons illegal.  A forced buy-back of banned weapons was implemented.  The effective date of the new law was April 12, 2019.  The owner of Inland 931, a person with dual US-NZ citizenship, received New Zealand permission to export his weapon collection to himself in the US on April 8, 2019.  Had it not been exported, Inland 931 would have become wood chips and scrap metal.  The export documents are shown below.

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The following picture is from “Fiji Patrol on Bougainville” in the January 1945 edition of The National Geographic Magazine.  The commandos shown are not from Tripp’s First Commando Fiji Guerillas but are from the First Battalion, Fiji Infantry Regiment, which was also led by New Zealanders.

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Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Dec 11 2020 at 4:25pm
Whoa! check out that early trigger housing!


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Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Dec 11 2020 at 5:28pm
Love it! Great Carbine and excellent article!

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Wayne
USMC Retired
NRA Life Member


Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Dec 11 2020 at 9:07pm
What an incredible article! How often do you see a surviving Type 1 extractor plunger? This carbine and the story behind it are priceless.

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JackP


Posted By: arthur
Date Posted: Dec 11 2020 at 10:09pm
“operating slide stop retaining pin” ??? 


Posted By: GotSnlB28
Date Posted: Dec 11 2020 at 10:29pm
Super article, great job, it made my evening reading it. That picture of the carbine mag, cartridge, and lighter which deflected the Japanese bullet - Wow! It is great that time capsule was saved from destruction.

Two things in the data sheet which I found a bit interesting : tapered sear spring, would have thought straight. 5/16 UI swivel would have thought 1/4 unmarked.


Posted By: jangle
Date Posted: Dec 12 2020 at 9:44am
Loved the article and research.
Thanks for showing photos of this awesome Carbine!


Posted By: 03manV
Date Posted: Dec 12 2020 at 10:16am
Great info. 
Thanks for posting.


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Don


Posted By: painter777
Date Posted: Dec 12 2020 at 12:59pm
What a Treat !

Thank You


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Posted By: hunterman
Date Posted: Dec 12 2020 at 1:44pm
Originally posted by arthur arthur wrote:

“operating slide stop retaining pin” ??? 


Not on this slide.  I don't know when the pinned slide stop was discontinued, but it is not present on this slide. 


Posted By: hunterman
Date Posted: Dec 12 2020 at 1:58pm
Originally posted by GotSnlB28 GotSnlB28 wrote:

Two things in the data sheet which I found a bit interesting : tapered sear spring, would have thought straight. 5/16 UI swivel would have thought 1/4 unmarked.


The UI swivel with the wide aperture is undoubtedly not original to a carbine of this vintage.  However, it's use is part of the history of this weapon and I won't be correcting it.  The sear spring is straight - my mistake.  Data sheet has been corrected.




Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Dec 12 2020 at 6:08pm
Early swivels could be a PITA for a thicker sling, and remember that early on the screw was not staked in and many were lost/replaced.


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Posted By: arthur
Date Posted: Dec 12 2020 at 11:02pm
Hunterman, You are right. The pin hole is closer to the top. I saw slide number 15 at a gun show about 25 years ago and took a couple pictures of it. After digging around I found them. Maybe Dan might add them to this post. Cheap camera, glossy pictures, printer scanned, blown up = fuzzy, sorry. I tried to buy the slide but dealer didn't want to sell.

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Posted By: welbytwo
Date Posted: Dec 13 2020 at 12:20am
I would be a buyer of #18 or #23 marked slides like this


Posted By: hunterman
Date Posted: Dec 13 2020 at 9:59am
Originally posted by welbytwo welbytwo wrote:

I would be a buyer of #18 or #23 marked slides like this


For what serial numbers was the pinned slide stop used?


Posted By: welbytwo
Date Posted: Dec 13 2020 at 10:37am
first 2000 or so maybe--and maybe the tool room test manual guns -not really enough been found to range the use of


Posted By: Johnboy490
Date Posted: Dec 13 2020 at 12:46pm
Wow, just a great story, really enjoyed the pics, Thanks Hunterman, made my Sunday,

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Posted By: m1a1fan
Date Posted: Dec 13 2020 at 5:37pm
What a great read!

Excellent article and fantastic carbine.

Thanks for sharing!


Posted By: HARLEY08
Date Posted: Dec 13 2020 at 6:43pm
Thank you for the info and pictures - Great!



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M1DB


Posted By: colreed
Date Posted: Dec 17 2020 at 3:57pm
Hunterman,
Your article was quite an education for me. Things I've never seen. It was great, thanks. 
colreed


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Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Dec 19 2020 at 5:45pm
Download added to the top of first post


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Posted By: Nevinator
Date Posted: Jan 08 2021 at 7:50am
Great rifle and an even better story.  Was this rifle listed on GB about 6 months ago?  I seem to remember someone who claimed to have a collection from Australia up for sale.  Excellent research.  Thanks for sharing.

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Retired LEO
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Posted By: 03collector
Date Posted: Jan 10 2021 at 2:40pm
I am new to this forum and learning a lot. But when i saw this post I almost fell off my chair. I have Inland sn. 938 and it is a twin to this carbine. The data sheet on 931 matches my carbine sn.938.


Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Jan 10 2021 at 2:43pm
Welcome to the forum 03collector, now lets see some pictures of 938.

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Posted By: 03collector
Date Posted: Jan 10 2021 at 3:24pm
I will as soon as i can, should i make a new post about this carbine i don't want to hijack this post. It wouldn't be fair and im not that good at posting LOL.


Posted By: Marty Black
Date Posted: Jan 13 2021 at 12:18am
That's an excellent report with great photos on a fantastic early Inland!   Thanks for sharing that! I enjoyed it!

Just one point, however. The early cone-type extractor plungers underwent two changes. The 90 degree cut made to the cone itself to better engage the modified extractor, AND the stem of the plunger was cut down.

Separate that early plunger from the spring, and you will see what I mean.

Regards, Marty Black

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Marty Black


Posted By: hunterman
Date Posted: Jan 15 2021 at 3:14pm
Originally posted by Marty Black Marty Black wrote:

That's an excellent report with great photos on a fantastic early Inland!   Thanks for sharing that! I enjoyed it!

Just one point, however. The early cone-type extractor plungers underwent two changes. The 90 degree cut made to the cone itself to better engage the modified extractor, AND the stem of the plunger was cut down.

Separate that early plunger from the spring, and you will see what I mean.

Regards, Marty Black


Thank you, sir.  Here is the Inland 931 plunger separated from the spring and pictured next to a plunger with a flat cut cone.


War Baby!, page 300, shows two full cone plungers, the earliest one more rounded than the later one.  The difference is slight but I think is exhibited by the comparison of plungers from Inland 931 (with the spring) to a full cone plunger from Inland 22xxx.




Posted By: HARLEY08
Date Posted: Jan 15 2021 at 9:27pm
Wow 
Thanks for the pictures.
Great Carbine!



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M1DB


Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Jan 18 2021 at 5:05pm
Originally posted by 03collector 03collector wrote:

I will as soon as i can, should i make a new post about this carbine i don't want to hijack this post. It wouldn't be fair and im not that good at posting LOL.


http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/topic5185_post39778.html#39778" rel="nofollow - Link to Inland 938


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Posted By: Abel4287
Date Posted: Aug 13 2021 at 5:59pm
I have just acquired Inland #1652 barrel dated  6-42  I will have to compare my parts with 931's


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Posted By: 1st M1 88
Date Posted: Aug 13 2021 at 6:23pm
Maybe you could start another thread and post pictures of your carbine.


Posted By: Marty Black
Date Posted: Aug 13 2021 at 8:27pm
"Hunterman" and other interested collectors: We've reported on the two different tips on the cone-type extractor plungers. One is definitely cone-tipped and the other has a flat spot at the tip. The flattening of the latter type could be caused by wear or it could be a manufacturing difference to reduce possible chipping.

The cone-type extractor plungers have always been quite rare, and we've never attempted to collect detailed data on the tips. Only factory-original carbines assembled before approximately Feb 1943 would have the Type 1 (V-notch) extractor and cone-type plunger.

This would include the following prime contractors: Inland, Winchester, Underwood, National Postal Meter and a small number of Rock-Ola and Quality Hardware carbines. We've still got a lot to learn!

The Carbine Club never conducted a study on the plungers themselves, but the change of the Type 1 Extractor to the "reworked" or "transitional" extractor, and mention of the change to the plungers were discussed in Newsletter 116, pp 3-4.

Regards, Marty Black

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Marty Black



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