Inland with sn of X G 9
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Topic: Inland with sn of X G 9
Posted By: sfal7418
Subject: Inland with sn of X G 9
Date Posted: Oct 09 2019 at 2:52pm
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OK....i have to ask....saw this and was "perplexed" as to the reason for X G 9 as the serial number....it is a nice clean rifle though.... al "This is a incredible condition Inland Carbine! My understanding of this carbine is that this is a prototype of the production carbines that were to be produced for the invasion of the Japanese home islands hence the "XG9"- Experimental Government Style 9" https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/military-rifles-m1-carbine/inland-division-of-general-motors-m1-carbine-quot-x-quot-series-serial-number.cfm?gun_id=101306973" rel="nofollow - https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/military-rifles-m1-carbine/inland-division-of-general-motors-m1-carbine-quot-x-quot-series-serial-number.cfm?gun_id=101306973
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Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Oct 09 2019 at 7:41pm
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Thank you for sharing it, the club is looking records of any presentation carbines or any special carbines. 10 points added for reporting. ------------- http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/club-assistance-saginaw-receivers_topic4716.html" rel="nofollow - Club Survey Saginaw Receivers |
Posted By: painter777
Date Posted: Oct 09 2019 at 10:35pm
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Presentation X Series Carbines Approx: X series serial numbers: X1 - X100 XA1 - XA100 XB1 - XB100* (possible plus 1) XC1 - XC100 XD1 - XD100 XE1 - XE100 XF1 - XF100 XG1 - XG100 Ruth's WarBaby, page 359 states that the 400 Carbines in XC thru XG were not charged to the Gov as these were all presented to various Inland and other General Motors employees, subs, suppliers, military personnel and other Gov officials in appreciation of their contributions to Inland's War effort. NOTE: (Might be a Typo here because I count 500 Carbines between XC-XG). On another Forum there was a sighting report, but no follow up of: 3-8-15 "Spotted XG 15 at the Fletcher N. Carolina today. In unfired condition. It is an M2." Also in that same post the OP was asking for information about Inland XC 43 which was presented to the OP's GrandFather. It was verified it was presented to his GrandFather, who was a purchasing agent for Delco-Remy, a GM subsidiary: J T Delancey, Anderson, Ind. 9-29-44. Link If Interested: https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=42604" rel="nofollow - https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=42604 Charlie-P777 ------------- Living Free because of those that serve..... |
Posted By: GotSnlB28
Date Posted: Oct 09 2019 at 10:45pm
| That is surely a minty presentation Inland. Great find! I noticed there is a cross cannons acceptance stamp on the right side of the stock. I was of the understanding that presentation guns didn't have such stamps because they were never accepted by the government? |
Posted By: kro1970
Date Posted: Oct 09 2019 at 10:53pm
| Wouldn’t a legit presentation carbine not have an ordinance cross cannons acceptance stamp? |
Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Oct 09 2019 at 10:53pm
I also was under that impression. ------------- Wayne USMC Retired NRA Life Member |
GotSnlB28 wrote:Posted By: painter777
Date Posted: Oct 09 2019 at 11:33pm
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Agree all, Would the Gov accept/stamp the stock on a carbine it wasn't receiving?
One it wasn't being charged $ for ? One with Chromed or High Polished Blue finish..... Not being to Mil Spec Finish. SEE: Standard Products EX. 29 https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/military-rifles---m1-carbine/standard-products-m1-presentation---carbine.cfm?gun_id=101266590" rel="nofollow - https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/military-rifles---m1-carbine/standard-products-m1-presentation---carbine.cfm?gun_id=101266590 CH-P777 ------------- Living Free because of those that serve..... |
Posted By: painter777
Date Posted: Oct 09 2019 at 11:40pm
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Inland XB. 15 https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/71/1578/documented-presentation-grade-gm-executive-inland-m1-carbine" rel="nofollow - https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/71/1578/documented-presentation-grade-gm-executive-inland-m1-carbine CH-P777
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Posted By: Why Carbines?
Date Posted: Oct 10 2019 at 9:29am
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I suspect the ordnance stamp is just one of the problems with it. Does the front sight look like it's been off to anyone else? It could be a scratch from about anything though. It's a fantastic background story, that being special M1 carbines made for the invasion of Japan. Somewhere somehow some pigs must be getting ready for takeoff! |
Posted By: GotSnlB28
Date Posted: Oct 10 2019 at 1:18pm
Are you referring to picture 10? If so I think it's in the photo and not a scratch, as the line continues down the barrel when the picture is enlarged. It does appear the pin staking may be disturbed. For sure, the story is bogus... How does it go, buy the rifle, not the story :) |
Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Oct 10 2019 at 1:29pm
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The later Inland presentations they scrounged for parts. Some used rejected parts that had issues or reworked. My concern is not the front pin staking, considering the mint condition As for the story, Sellers sometimes have little knowledge and parrot what they are told. Sometimes this info comes from old internet posts or auctions. It is an endless cycle.
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Posted By: GotSnlB28
Date Posted: Oct 10 2019 at 1:35pm
| Right, the thing at the top of my mind would be receiver ring, if I were purchasing it. It does not strike me as a put together rifle. |
Posted By: NewScotlander
Date Posted: Oct 10 2019 at 4:25pm
| Even if the acceptance stamp was somehow original to the carbine, which seems unlikely, it certainly creates suspicion as to it's originality. |
Posted By: m1a1fan
Date Posted: Oct 10 2019 at 4:28pm
| Sure would be nice to get a look at the receiver ring. Stock has happy switch cutout. |
Posted By: wmmwraghd
Date Posted: Oct 10 2019 at 4:39pm
| does not pass the smell test IMHO. |
Posted By: Why Carbines?
Date Posted: Oct 10 2019 at 9:21pm
| I see it sold. Some people believe all of the stories, but there is some good points about it too. My guess is that it will never see the light of day again, but I could always be wrong there. |
Posted By: painter777
Date Posted: Oct 10 2019 at 11:34pm
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Anyone recall the asking price of XG 9 ? I messed up linking in the other X models..... Sorry for any confusion. Intent was for comparison, but that didn't seem to go so swell. Just cluttered up the post. CH-P777 ------------- Living Free because of those that serve..... |
Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Oct 10 2019 at 11:59pm
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@Charlie Asking price was $6000 ------------- Wayne USMC Retired NRA Life Member |
Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Oct 11 2019 at 1:29am
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A little birdy told me it did not sell, it is no longer for sale. ------------- http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/club-assistance-saginaw-receivers_topic4716.html" rel="nofollow - Club Survey Saginaw Receivers |
Posted By: Jt22453
Date Posted: Oct 11 2019 at 2:52am
| Maybe an M2? Doesn’t show the full receiver ring. Stock has the cutout and ad says is filled with M2 style parts. |
Posted By: m1a1fan
Date Posted: Oct 11 2019 at 8:35am
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@painter777 - 3 digit XB http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/inland-xb-271_topic3316_post21269.html?KW=xb271#21269" rel="nofollow - http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/inland-xb-271_topic3316_post21269.html?KW=xb271#21269
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Posted By: Why Carbines?
Date Posted: Oct 11 2019 at 10:39am
| Hmm, my guess is that the little birdy told the seller it was most certainly an M2 marked receiver. I used to think stuff like that was my business, but now I just note and resist the urge to tell. |
Posted By: painter777
Date Posted: Oct 11 2019 at 3:35pm
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Anyone ever seen Inland XB 251 that Ruth reports was the only reported XB reported carbine numbered over 100, thus being the 101st Carbine in the XB block? Curious if it had the same early 1/4" Mill cut that XB 271 has. CH-P777 ------------- Living Free because of those that serve..... |
Posted By: m1a1fan
Date Posted: Oct 12 2019 at 9:59pm
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@sfal7418 - Thanks for sharing the link. I'm hoping to at least create a crude datasheet based on the pictures. It would be a shame if an Inland presentation had to go away. Found a letter once on this very subject, but didn't save it. @painter777 - Did some interweb searching for XB 251 as listed in Ruth's book, but haven't found anything yet. Probably not new news to you and others, but there's a document that lists Inland presentation S/N's and recipient. Don't know much about it, how complete it is or if it contains information about XB 251 or XG 9 from the OP's link. XB 271 is in it though. Technically, XB 271 is really XB 27 and at some point...for some reason a 1 was added. Duplicate? Requested by recipient or relative? When the 1 was added? Dunno. Would be great to find XB 251 just to see how the "1" is stamped. IIRC, XB 25 is marked normally, except the "2" which is a font I've never seen on a carbine. |
Posted By: painter777
Date Posted: Oct 12 2019 at 11:04pm
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M1A1 My thoughts  XB 251 is a typo, no corrections found on the fix it list or in WB III. I believe in the book XB 251 was mean't to read XB271. I feel it's a duplicated serial number with the 1 added (1 being stamped off kilter). Not like they could add a X after the 27. Explains why it has the very early Mill cut and receiver marked like the 3 Newscotlander described.... #'s 18, 23 and 32. Being a very early receiver model it had to of been dug out of the shadows (or stashed away) to be built and being the last X carbine to be presented. Never underestimate what 3 brothers can pull off ! Unless destroyed there may still be a XB27 out there. That would be something to see ! I still believe the stock to be a 'Wide Curl Cherry', JMO, CH-P777
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Posted By: m1a1fan
Date Posted: Oct 13 2019 at 9:19am
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Compiling a list of Inland presentations, including pictures, has been on the list and updated recently. Other than the 27k one, I really like the carved stock version. Briefly looked into arrested malleablizing steel, but that's above my pay grade. More of a Dan thing than me and I think his theory is spot on including what appears to be new information about M1A1 parts. Good stuff! Asked a few Non Destructive Evaluation (NDE) guys I know about the TH composition identification possibilities, but no joy. Seems like it would require DE. Mr. Lucid's family is also on the research list, but nothing productive yet. This thread might be a good reminder for me to pick it up again as sometimes revisiting things bears fruit. Others have also mentioned the stock is cherry. I had it with me at the last RIR show, but got so busy jabbering on like a monkey in a tree, I forgot to show it to a woodworker for closer inspection. Maybe next show. I find presentations especially interesting since they were mostly cobbled together. Pin staked gas cylinder, unfinished TH without a recess. BTW, what a PITA to get the hammer plunger and spring back on. newscotlander or maybe welbytwo asked me if the receiver had a particular marking on it, but it didn't. Can't remember what the marking or characteristic was though. For presentations like XG 9, what a shame they can't be donated to a museum or an exception granted. I've found other similar examples in Canadian and British museums. I understand rules are rules though. I found the letter mentioned in a previous post via a carefully crafted Google search. |
Posted By: ncblksmth1
Date Posted: Oct 17 2019 at 2:03pm
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Inland Presentation Carbine XF97 was a near mint carbine with the correct CARTOUCHE on the stock. Some of you can debate the mark if you want but its correct. I have personally seen XG7 and 2 others and they are made the same way with the cartouche. Remember these were put together after the contracts were ended. ------------- Bob |
Posted By: wa***te
Date Posted: May 26 2021 at 11:47pm
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Has it occurred to anyone besides me that the stock may have been replaced? This could have happened for any number of reasons. I’ve seen Paratrooper carbines with cracked stocks and M2s that were heavily sanded and then coated with varnish. Sometimes the owners, especially non- collectors, just want their carbines to look nice and function. ------------- Walt |
Posted By: Smokpole
Date Posted: May 27 2021 at 2:48pm
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the mag catch drain hole on the left side of the receiver supposed to be a post WWII addition? ------------- OGCA Life member NRA Life member Ashtabula Rod and Gun Life member |
Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: May 27 2021 at 3:12pm
Inland started using the type V trigger Housing (with drain hole) around the 5.3, 5.4 mil serial range. ------------- Wayne USMC Retired NRA Life Member |
Posted By: wa***te
Date Posted: May 27 2021 at 3:28pm
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XD 87 has a cartouche. It’s an M2. Barrel date 8-45. XC 52 (mine) has no cartouche. It’s an M1. Barrel date 10-44. ------------- Walt |
Posted By: David Albert
Date Posted: May 27 2021 at 9:08pm
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