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Topic: Inland
Posted By: Lawrencemr
Subject: Inland
Date Posted: Jul 28 2019 at 11:10am
Hi,
I have an Inland spring tube that I bought on a CMP auction a few years ago. Its serial number is 408,140 and it has an Underwood ‘44 barrel with bayo mount. Rear sight is windage adjustable. Stock is well used dark walnut with rack numbers. No cartouches or markings that I can see. Any information that you can provide is appreciated. Round bolt. First post. 
Thanks, Mike



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Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Jul 28 2019 at 3:52pm
Hi and welcome to the forum from New Mexico!

Inland spring tubes are kind of rare. Your SN is right where Inland is known to have repaired some scrap receivers that had deep hole problems by making them into spring tubes. The Underwood barrel is probably a replacement. I would have expected your SN to have originally shipped with a flat bolt. With that and the bayonet lug, it looks like a rebuild. We would sure like to see pictures. Do you still have the CMP cert?

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JackP


Posted By: Lawrencemr
Date Posted: Jul 28 2019 at 4:29pm
Thank you. I do still even the CMP tag on the barrel from the CMP auction. I’ll take photos and post next weekend. I have made no effort to take off the rear sight nor have I disassembled the bolt and likely  will not. Given the bayo lug, rear sight, round bolt and safety style I assumed that it had been rebuilt at least once. 

I appreciate the response and I’ll get some nice pics up next weekend. 
Regards, Mike
Ps what part of NM?


Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Jul 28 2019 at 5:27pm
Hi Mike, Cloudcroft is in the Lincoln National Forest in southeast NM, "9000 feet above stress level".

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JackP


Posted By: Lawrencemr
Date Posted: Aug 03 2019 at 4:41pm













Trying to use Imgur to post pics. No joy.

Mod note: pics added


Posted By: Lawrencemr
Date Posted: Aug 03 2019 at 4:45pm
Please let me know if you could see the  Pics. I have been to Cloudcroft but it was a few decades ago. It may have still been under the sea. LOL




Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Aug 03 2019 at 4:52pm
here is what I get when I click your link

Zoinks! You've taken a wrong turn.
Let's split up, gang. If you're looking for an image, it's probably been deleted or may not have existed at all.
If you are looking for groovy images, visit our gallery!


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Wayne
USMC Retired
NRA Life Member


Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Aug 07 2019 at 5:53pm
Yep, that worked. Are those numbers or letters on the bottom of the pistol grip?

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Wayne
USMC Retired
NRA Life Member


Posted By: Lawrencemr
Date Posted: Aug 08 2019 at 5:58am
Looks like a rack number to me.


 







Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Aug 08 2019 at 11:27am
It looks like you do have a flat bolt after all. I bet that stock could tell some great stories if it could talk. How about closeups of the sling well and rack numbers?

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JackP


Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Aug 09 2019 at 2:31pm
It seems you did not upload the file correctly. If you need help just let me know.

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Posted By: Lawrencemr
Date Posted: Aug 09 2019 at 2:51pm
I need help. It looked perfect on this end. I don’t have photo bucket and I use an IPhone.


Posted By: Lawrencemr
Date Posted: Aug 09 2019 at 5:47pm
https://imgur.com/a/acee1nS" rel="nofollow - https://imgur.com/a/acee1nS

Trying again. Rack numbers and sling inlet. Sorry for the empty posts. Hope this works. 


Posted By: Jt22453
Date Posted: Aug 09 2019 at 7:15pm
Yep, you got it that time


Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Aug 10 2019 at 11:36am
Wow, it looks like someone really wanted to be sure the rack numbers were easy to see. The marks in the sling well are really hard to make out. Maybe someone else will recognize something. The stock has a generous coating of "patina". Perhaps there is something underneath that we can't see now.

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JackP


Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Aug 10 2019 at 11:43am
Mike, I also noticed that it has a Rock-Ola butt plate. It has that distinctive missing dot at 3 o'clock. Look and see if you can see "RSG" in the sling well.

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JackP


Posted By: Lawrencemr
Date Posted: Aug 10 2019 at 12:11pm
Can’t really tell on the RSG. It looks like there were intentional strike outs or over stamps in the sling inlet but can’t see the underlying clearly. The rack numbers appear on the pistol grip and 2 places on the underside of the stock. Good to know on the butt plate, thanks. Hard to tell on the bolt. I have round and flat on other carbines but this seems somewhere in between both. I appreciate the input as all I knew was that it is a mystery numbered Inland spring tube with an Underwood barrel. Any other info is appreciated too. I read the tutorial on uploading photos but no joy. If anyone can offer me some help on that I will appreciate that too. Please pm me. Thanks, Mike




Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Aug 10 2019 at 12:28pm
I installed your pictures.
Unfortunately the apple stuff is not something I am familiar with. Here is a tutorial which you may have already read.

http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/ipad-photo-upload-instructions_topic3021.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/ipad-photo-upload-instructions_topic3021.html

you need to upload the pictures in your file, but they must be resized if too large. There is a link in my signature on how to upload as well as resizing the pictures.
Between the two tutorials maybe you can get it to work. 
If not I will install pictures when I can.


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Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Aug 10 2019 at 12:35pm
I'm sorry Mike, I meant to say "RMC", not RSG". My bad.

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JackP


Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Aug 10 2019 at 12:40pm
Originally posted by jackp1028 jackp1028 wrote:

I'm sorry Mike, I meant to say "RMC", not RSG". My bad.


I knew what you meant Jack.

Is this possibly an "RMC"



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Wayne
USMC Retired
NRA Life Member


Posted By: Lawrencemr
Date Posted: Aug 10 2019 at 12:42pm
No the rear sight is faintly stamped I.R. 60(?) with 1160¥0 underneath. That symbol is intended to be a check mark. The front sling swivel appears to have AW00(?). There appears to be lettering stamped in the receiver in front of the 408140 serial number but can’t read without removing the rear sight and I really hesitate to remove it. 


Posted By: Lawrencemr
Date Posted: Aug 10 2019 at 12:57pm
With regard to the lettering inside the well, it seems to me that the #1 is stamped above 3 letters. The middle letter may be a “B” but not positive. It also looks like an x at the very bottom. I can see with a glass that the only name under the sight is Inland  Nothing above and no re strike so I’m guessing that it was always an Inland.


Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Aug 10 2019 at 1:13pm
Originally posted by Lawrencemr Lawrencemr wrote:

No the rear sight is faintly stamped I.R. 60(?) with 1160¥0 underneath. That symbol is intended to be a check mark. The front sling swivel appears to have AW00(?). There appears to be lettering stamped in the receiver in front of the 408140 serial number but can’t read without removing the rear sight and I really hesitate to remove it. 


Your rear sight is most likely marked I.R.C.O. w/7160060 underneath.
Could your front barrel band be marked AMCO, your actual swivel would not be marked.

The lettering in front of the serial# under the rear sight will read INLAND DIV. I recommend that you do not remove the rear sight.

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Wayne
USMC Retired
NRA Life Member


Posted By: Lawrencemr
Date Posted: Aug 10 2019 at 1:31pm
You are correct on the markings. Very faint. Someone had indicated that it might have been manufactured by another manufacturer and that name would have been stamped above Inland and then later struck through by Inland and that was what was what I was looking for. The markings are on the barrel band. Mike


Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Aug 10 2019 at 1:38pm
I'm sorry Mike. Your sling well is like a Rorschach test to me. Yeah, if I look at it long enough I can see the "RMC" but it's more from your suggestion than from what is actually there. It might show up better if some of the "patina" were able to be removed. Your call.

The rear sight markings are "I.R. CO" for International Register Co. The number should read "7160060" which is the Ordnance part number of the stamped rear sight.

I'm not sure about the letters on the sling swivel. Normally they are not marked. Are there markings in front of the swivel on the barrel band itself that look like "AMCO"?

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JackP


Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Aug 10 2019 at 1:52pm
Sorry Wayne. You beat me to it.

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JackP


Posted By: Lawrencemr
Date Posted: Aug 10 2019 at 2:04pm
I think that it is AMCO. Do the component parts give any clues to its spring tube heritage?

I’m might take a little Murphy’s and lightly clean the well area and see if the lettering becomes clearer. 
Mike


Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Aug 10 2019 at 2:08pm
It appears that your receiver is made by Inland based on the serial number. There was an issue drilling the deep hole in the receiver for the recoil spring. The drill bit would wander and break out the bottom or side of the receiver.
The receivers were salvaged by converting them to utilize a springtube.
Your sirial number in within the know range of Inlands that were converted.

it is estimated that there are 6000 inland spring tube receivers, 


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