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Irwin Pedersen

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Topic: Irwin Pedersen
Posted By: Rcycles45
Subject: Irwin Pedersen
Date Posted: May 09 2019 at 7:48pm
Here is a nice early example of a original IP . This carbine has all IP parts as most early in this SN block did . 



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Posted By: tenOCEE
Date Posted: May 09 2019 at 8:36pm
How close in serial number is this one to Big Red's or Red Special that was posted on CMP?


Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: May 09 2019 at 9:08pm
Originally posted by tenOCEE tenOCEE wrote:

How close in serial number is this one to Big Red's or Red Special that was posted on CMP?


Very close, but the last 2 digits are blocked out on the Red Special "Holy Grail" IP post on CMP. 17737??

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Wayne
USMC Retired
NRA Life Member


Posted By: tenOCEE
Date Posted: May 09 2019 at 9:12pm
That's what I had recorded. Also was wondering if they are the same Carbines.


Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: May 09 2019 at 10:10pm
Originally posted by tenOCEE tenOCEE wrote:

Also was wondering if they are the same Carbines.


I think this one is in better condition, also think Red Special's has a 1-43 Rock-ola barrel.



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Wayne
USMC Retired
NRA Life Member


Posted By: tenOCEE
Date Posted: May 10 2019 at 7:57am
Note the N on the barrel. Last time I saw that barrel I said, I've got one of those backwards N barrels. Scott hadn't noticed it before then.


Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: May 10 2019 at 10:25am
How common is that? I have never seen or at least noticed a backwards N before? I just had to go check my 1-43 U-Wood barrel, it's N is correct.

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Wayne
USMC Retired
NRA Life Member


Posted By: tenOCEE
Date Posted: May 10 2019 at 12:06pm
Maybe like an UN-QUALITY? Scott's other was on an NPM. I have an IP with one, a friend has an Underwood with one. There were a couple I've seen at auction.


Posted By: Rcycles45
Date Posted: May 10 2019 at 5:37pm
Originally posted by W5USMC W5USMC wrote:

Originally posted by tenOCEE tenOCEE wrote:

How close in serial number is this one to Big Red's or Red Special that was posted on CMP?


Very close, but the last 2 digits are blocked out on the Red Special "Holy Grail" IP post on CMP. 17737??


The 2 IPs are close But no cigar . Probably its a good thing that we are not 1 digit off because we would more then likely be bothering each other to buy each others carbine ...


Posted By: Rcycles45
Date Posted: May 10 2019 at 5:40pm
Originally posted by tenOCEE tenOCEE wrote:

Note the N on the barrel. Last time I saw that barrel I said, I've got one of those backwards N barrels. Scott hadn't noticed it before then.



Good eye Doug , another one I didn't notice . so that makes 2 in my inventory ..


Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: May 10 2019 at 5:50pm
Do all of the Backwards N U-Wood barrels have the same date?

@ Scott, absolutely beautiful Carbine, I wish it was in my gun safe!!

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Wayne
USMC Retired
NRA Life Member


Posted By: Rcycles45
Date Posted: May 10 2019 at 5:59pm
Originally posted by W5USMC W5USMC wrote:

Do all of the Backwards N U-Wood barrels have the same date?

@ Scott, absolutely beautiful Carbine, I wish it was in my gun safe!!


Thanks Wayne , Yes it seems all the backwards N's are all 1-43 so far !


Posted By: tenOCEE
Date Posted: May 10 2019 at 7:26pm
Not that I've seen the stamping device, but that's not something you can rotate like a clock hand and get a backwards letter. It would have to be flipped or someone would've made one backwards, which is probably how it happened? They made an N that was oriented correctly when looked at but since it's a stamp the impression is backwards.


Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: May 11 2019 at 3:36pm
There are two methods that I know of to mark the barrel in that time frame.
one where the dies is straight and it rolls the mark as barrel is rotated. This can be a one piece die or a jig that holds individual stamps ganged together.

the other is where the marking die is a wheel. Picture a pipe cutter and the cutter is instead larger and has the letters incorporated into it. The device has pressure applied and then rotated to put the impression of the letters into the work-piece. This can also be a machine like above just a different die

If you flip an "N" upside down it is still a "N" 
In either case the N was created backwards on the die.


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Posted By: tenOCEE
Date Posted: May 11 2019 at 4:57pm
If you ROTATE an N it's still an N.


Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: May 12 2019 at 10:45am
If you rotate an N would it not look like a Z? Confused

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http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/club-assistance-saginaw-receivers_topic4716.html" rel="nofollow - Club Survey Saginaw Receivers


Posted By: tenOCEE
Date Posted: May 12 2019 at 11:28am
Originally posted by New2brass New2brass wrote:

If you rotate an N would it not look like a Z? Confused


Only if you half-A rotate it.


Posted By: ncin1911
Date Posted: May 12 2019 at 1:42pm
Originally posted by tenOCEE tenOCEE wrote:

Originally posted by New2brass New2brass wrote:

If you rotate an N would it not look like a Z? Confused


Only if you half-A rotate it.

Sorry couldn't help myself. Smile


Posted By: tenOCEE
Date Posted: May 12 2019 at 8:35pm
You know where you can rotate it? CensoredLOL


Posted By: RedSpecial
Date Posted: May 13 2019 at 4:54pm
Originally posted by W5USMC W5USMC wrote:

Originally posted by tenOCEE tenOCEE wrote:

Also was wondering if they are the same Carbines.


I think this one is in better condition, also think Red Special's has a 1-43 Rock-ola barrel.


Yes, 1-43 Rock-Ola. Last two "00", this one is in better condition most likely. Mine has patina all over it, it had surface mostly on the right side but that all cleaned up with a little elbow grease. My IP is missing the sling swivel and the barrel band screw was replaced with a standard hardware shop machine screw. 


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-Neil


Posted By: tenOCEE
Date Posted: May 13 2019 at 7:08pm
I like serials ending in 0, especially.
Thanks for the info.


Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: May 13 2019 at 10:26pm
I am curious if both of these IP's so close in serial # have the same "IP" marking on the receiver in front of the forward TH lug. ie.. house, fat man, pine tree or any for that matter??

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Wayne
USMC Retired
NRA Life Member


Posted By: RedSpecial
Date Posted: May 14 2019 at 7:04am
My notes say “house with cross inside roof”

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-Neil


Posted By: NewScotlander
Date Posted: May 14 2019 at 10:55am
Nice looking IP. I have 1773393 which is very similar.


Posted By: Rcycles45
Date Posted: May 16 2019 at 7:09pm
Originally posted by W5USMC W5USMC wrote:

I am curious if both of these IP's so close in serial # have the same "IP" marking on the receiver in front of the forward TH lug. ie.. house, fat man, pine tree or any for that matter??

Mine has no Fat man, no house or pine trees .


Posted By: NewScotlander
Date Posted: May 16 2019 at 10:49pm
1773393 has a house with cross inside. See CCNL 374, page 3.


Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: May 17 2019 at 11:50am
Originally posted by NewScotlander NewScotlander wrote:

1773393 has a house with cross inside. See CCNL 374, page 3.


Thanks for directing me to that CCNL, really informative. Good stuff!

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Wayne
USMC Retired
NRA Life Member


Posted By: m1a1fan
Date Posted: May 17 2019 at 12:43pm
Nice IP!
1775265 - pine needle
1777458 - house with a cross


Posted By: tenOCEE
Date Posted: May 17 2019 at 12:45pm
Links say Skype application. Should they be pics?



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