MY IBM M1 CARBINE
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Topic: MY IBM M1 CARBINE
Posted By: mikeurbas
Subject: MY IBM M1 CARBINE
Date Posted: Mar 14 2019 at 1:42pm
     
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Posted By: tenOCEE
Date Posted: Mar 14 2019 at 3:21pm
| I like the overall color of the metal finish. The rear sight looks pretty suspect though on my fuzzy monitor. |
Posted By: Why Carbines?
Date Posted: Mar 14 2019 at 3:52pm
| I agree with the rear sight being a possible reproduction...clearer pictures would help. The wood almost looks brand new from some angles. Overall, it's an IBM that has a very nice appearance to it. |
Posted By: mikeurbas
Date Posted: Mar 14 2019 at 5:59pm
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rear sight does not have any casting lines. why does the rear sight look like a repro? the wood is not brand new, and has the correct cartouches, plus a repair near the butt plate. i was told by the seller that his friend, the previous owner, had gone over the stock with linseed oil. the rear sight does not look like a repro up close, plus it has the correct markings. the only thing that is suspect is the flat bolt, although it is marked aob.
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Posted By: mikeurbas
Date Posted: Mar 14 2019 at 6:10pm
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the rear sight does not look like a repro up close, plus it has the correct markings. the only thing that is suspect is the flat bolt, although it is marked aob. Admin note: 4 posts in 11 minutes, This is double posting. Please try the edit button to modify the previous post if you wish to add a thought. To get to edit button click the "Post options" just above your post to the right. Please keep posts about the same carbine within one post if still on topic. I combined several of your separate posts. This makes it easier for members looking for you post to help you with a reply. Thank you, Louis Dey Admin
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Posted By: mikeurbas
Date Posted: Mar 14 2019 at 6:49pm
  
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Posted By: tenOCEE
Date Posted: Mar 14 2019 at 6:53pm
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So you're discounting what two somewhat experienced people have said? The answer is always the same when asked why some of these parts are repop. We just advise if they appear USGI or not.
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Posted By: mikeurbas
Date Posted: Mar 14 2019 at 6:59pm
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i have looked at other pictures of rear sights on this forum, and my sight looks exactly the same. and who's to say just because i'm new to this forum, i don't know an authentic sight when i see one. plus, my camera does not allow me to take good closeups of smaller parts. ------------- mike |
Posted By: tenOCEE
Date Posted: Mar 14 2019 at 6:59pm
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Thank you. Even with the poor definition of the sight in the pics I'm pretty sure the sight is a reproduction. |
Posted By: m1a1fan
Date Posted: Mar 14 2019 at 7:02pm
Here's a clear photo of an IBM rear sight. Does yours look like this?
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Posted By: tenOCEE
Date Posted: Mar 14 2019 at 7:04pm
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That's a good, clear pic. |
Posted By: mikeurbas
Date Posted: Mar 14 2019 at 7:13pm
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yes it does. it also fits tightly in the dovetail, wich i found out is one way to tell if its a repro or not. it is marked s on the left side and wb on the right with small crisp lettering. next, your going to tell me the stock looks like a repro! ------------- mike |
Posted By: tenOCEE
Date Posted: Mar 14 2019 at 7:33pm
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Posted By: mikeurbas
Date Posted: Mar 14 2019 at 7:51pm
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my sight has those same curved machining marks ( horizontally on each side. ------------- mike |
Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Mar 14 2019 at 7:52pm
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Mike. Dont try to take closeups. Pull back so the camera can focus. Take higher quality if you have the option. From there you can crop the picture. If you need help let me know Your eye and the camera adjust differently for low light. The camera likes more light. Take pictures near a window during the day or even outside, not in direct sun. You will be amazed ------------- http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/club-assistance-saginaw-receivers_topic4716.html" rel="nofollow - Club Survey Saginaw Receivers |
Posted By: tenOCEE
Date Posted: Mar 14 2019 at 7:55pm
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You probably want to post better pics of the cartouche on the stock. Is this a Sam Tal madge Carbine? |
Posted By: m1a1fan
Date Posted: Mar 14 2019 at 7:59pm
| Without clear pictures, it hard to say much of anything. The only thing I can say for sure is that picture I posted is a reproduction rear sight. I'm sure one just like it could be found by carefully searching a few places that sell carbine parts. |
Posted By: mikeurbas
Date Posted: Mar 14 2019 at 8:03pm
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??? IBM !! ------------- mike |
Posted By: mikeurbas
Date Posted: Mar 14 2019 at 8:05pm
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you said that the picture you posted was an IBM sight. make up your mind ! ------------- mike |
Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Mar 14 2019 at 8:46pm
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Mike, can you take picture of the dovetail area from the top? Look at your receiver to the rear of slide channel. Are there markings there? Also you are double posting. Try to put all your thoughts in one post or edit the previous post. ------------- http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/club-assistance-saginaw-receivers_topic4716.html" rel="nofollow - Club Survey Saginaw Receivers |
Posted By: m1a1fan
Date Posted: Mar 14 2019 at 8:47pm
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The picture I posted is an IBM rear sight. A reproductuion IBM rear sight. I've seen all of the other USGI IBM flip rear sight markings, but so far, none marked W-B. Hope to find a USGI one some day. Also, I've read late IBM's could have an adjustable rear sight and be correct. |
Posted By: tenOCEE
Date Posted: Mar 14 2019 at 8:55pm
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Some nefarious sellers used to state on GB that the parts on their creations are all IBM parts or Rockola or what ever make of the Carbine is, an obvious lie and fraud. Now he, or they, state that the parts are marked IN-B, GE-Q, BR, ect. instead of outright lying that it's an actual USGI part. |
Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Mar 14 2019 at 9:18pm
My first thought when I saw the OPs pics, that looks like a Sam-T carbine. ------------- Wayne USMC Retired NRA Life Member |
tenOCEE wrote:Posted By: mikeurbas
Date Posted: Mar 14 2019 at 10:53pm
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what is a sam-t carbine? what reason would i have to lie? i am not trying to sell my carbine. if you look on page 477 of war baby by larry l. ruth, rear sight type A markings/identification : 'w-b'on right side, 's' on left side of sight body; leaf unmarked. quantity/sn range: in mixed use. ------------- mike |
Posted By: carbinecanuck
Date Posted: Mar 15 2019 at 12:53am
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I don't believe anyone is suggesting that you are trying to lie. The questions you have asked, seem to suggest you are interested in having the members provide some details about particular features of your carbine. There is an incredible amount of experience and knowledge here. Ask your questions, share your pictures and learn a lot. ------------- Courage is fear holding on a minute longer. - GEORGE S. PATTON |
Posted By: cali201
Date Posted: Mar 15 2019 at 5:36am
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Sam-T-Bob sells many carbines on gunbroker, all put together with parts, many fake and he sells them all as originals, making a fortune. The most often fake rear IBM sights are marked IN-B and can be purchased from Numrich (they only advertise repro sight, not markings but it is so marked when you get it). People sell these on ebay all day for $60 and up. So IBM sights are often suspect. Newer repro sights are also coming out of Europe now with other markings for different makers. Here are 2 examples of fakes being sold: https://www.ebay.com/itm/M1-Carbine-First-Issue-L-Type-Rear-Sight/223438353917?hash=item3405f6b5fd:g:OYkAAOSw-eJb02RF " rel="nofollow - https://www.ebay.com/itm/M1-Carbine-First-Issue-L-Type-Rear-Sight/223438353917?hash=item3405f6b5fd:g:OYkAAOSw-eJb02RF ; https://www.ebay.com/itm/boUS-GI-M1-Carbine-Rear-Flip-Sight-Marked-S-and-W-B-for-IBM/123673167041?hash=item1ccb7ec4c1:g:LIwAAOSw~BRcLJEB" rel="nofollow - https://www.ebay.com/itm/boUS-GI-M1-Carbine-Rear-Flip-Sight-Marked-S-and-W-B-for-IBM/123673167041?hash=item1ccb7ec4c1:g:LIwAAOSw~BRcLJEB |
Posted By: m1a1fan
Date Posted: Mar 15 2019 at 7:34am
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Looks like there might be an import mark on the right rear receiver rail. Most of the rear receiver rail pictures, it is hard to see, but one shows some kind of partial marking. I could be wrong, but perhaps the marking is New Helvetia Mercantile Corporation of Sacramento, CA? http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/imports.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/imports.html |
Posted By: ncin1911
Date Posted: Mar 15 2019 at 8:34am
Does look like a possible import mark and similar to NHM CO SAC CA example. Good eye m1a1fan!
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Posted By: tenOCEE
Date Posted: Mar 15 2019 at 8:59am
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Yes, good eye. That marking is one of the least disturbing of all import marks. At least it wasn't on a barrel and it isn't intrusive to the eye. Were most of those Israeli returns?
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Posted By: m1a1fan
Date Posted: Mar 15 2019 at 9:14am
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Yes. That is the area. Thanks for creating a focused version of it. Full disclosure. I did not notice that mark. Another brought it my attention. |
Posted By: Why Carbines?
Date Posted: Mar 15 2019 at 9:44am
| I have a ratty IBM with import mark under the barrel, a type one barrel band and the original flip sight still in place. I can't remember the importer, but it clearly escaped a complete rebuild. |
Posted By: mikeurbas
Date Posted: Mar 15 2019 at 10:19am
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it is obvious those 2 are fakes. the lettering is to large and to deep. plus, they look like there cast. mine does not look like either of those. are you saying my carbine is looking like an import? were is this coming from? ------------- mike |
Posted By: tenOCEE
Date Posted: Mar 15 2019 at 10:24am
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It's still a reproduction. It's called a 'high quality' reproduction. They termed it high quality because it's the closest to USGI and sells for around 150 bucks. |
Posted By: tenOCEE
Date Posted: Mar 15 2019 at 10:31am
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Here's a blurb from one of the most prolific sellers: 'M1 CARBINE FLIP SIGHTS
We got these from an old timer that owned a gun shop back in the 60's. Quantities are very limited order now!'But the supply has never dried up in all the years I've been doing this and every one of them is in perfectly new condition. This is probably the source of yours. The old time must've bought a CNC machine and started producing them. |
Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Mar 15 2019 at 10:37am
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@mike, please try to post some better pictures of your carbine, rear sight both sides and top view, the stock cartouche and that mark on the right rear of your receiver that ncin1911 has circled above. Keep in mind that no one is bashing you or calling you a liar you asked questions and are getting some opinions and answers from some very knowledgeable collectors. This is a learning experience for many on this site. ------------- Wayne USMC Retired NRA Life Member |
Posted By: tenOCEE
Date Posted: Mar 15 2019 at 10:42am
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Ditto that. The metal finish is appealing. If it were mine I'd be happy with it's appearance which could be made better with a few changes. |
Posted By: mikeurbas
Date Posted: Mar 15 2019 at 11:23am
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that does not look like any kind of import mark to me ! my sight is not a repro ! i just looked at the import marks shown on the carbine site, and my carbine does not have those marks ! how do you know its a reproduction sight ? if its the markings, according to larry ruth it is marked correctly for an ibm. ------------- mike |
Posted By: chipins
Date Posted: Mar 15 2019 at 12:26pm
| Just because its marked doesnt mean its not a repro. The repros are also marked . Unfortunately from what I have seen the last several years the IBM flip sights are the most common repros. Someone is making a ton of IN-B and FOB repro sights. They have been all over the place. With the pics I have seen of yours it is questionable . Better pics would determine it . Quite a few guys on here know parts like the back of their hand, the guys discussing your sight are pretty good . |
Posted By: tenOCEE
Date Posted: Mar 15 2019 at 12:48pm
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mike I wouldn't feel so upset about being taken on the Carbine. This isn't an easy thing to do. Just keep studying and you'll get it. But if you don't study first, the next one you get will have similar problems. Just eat it and take the education. It'll be ok. It's only money. |
Posted By: mikeurbas
Date Posted: Mar 15 2019 at 12:57pm
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i am going to take it to the next OGCA show to have it looked at. no one is explaining how they know it is a fake, or what i should look for, just that its a fake? why do you say its a fake? p.s., i'm not rich and money does matter! ------------- mike |
Posted By: tenOCEE
Date Posted: Mar 15 2019 at 1:09pm
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If money matters then you should just study what has already been posted here and other sites because you were informed out of grace and if you had accepted the info gracefully there would be more help. But nobody is here to offer a sugar high. Maybe you should consider what you have offered the scenario? |
Posted By: mikeurbas
Date Posted: Mar 15 2019 at 1:23pm
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again, your not answering my questions! how do you know the sight is a fake? ------------- mike |
Posted By: tenOCEE
Date Posted: Mar 15 2019 at 1:36pm
You aren't going to find out.
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Posted By: painter777
Date Posted: Mar 15 2019 at 1:41pm
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Can we forget the Repro Rear sight and possible Import Markings for a minute.... While I ask: Any thoughts as to who made the stock? The slingwell is sanded so smooth it's washed away any other markings. CH-P777 Edit: To Add... JL looks like a possibility. Sorry to delay, Carry On !
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Posted By: chipins
Date Posted: Mar 15 2019 at 2:01pm
| Looks like an IBM cross cannon and its in the usual spot for IBM. Looks like it may be beech . I could be wrong on the wood type. Who made beech stocks for IBM. |
Posted By: Why Carbines?
Date Posted: Mar 15 2019 at 2:03pm
| The possible import mark is almost inconsequential compared to the reproduction sight, if that's what it is. Mike, new and most importantly CLEAR pictures are needed to solve this issue. Lots and maybe all of guys on this site have made mistakes or been outright scammed, it's the nature of the carbine hobby. Also, the problem with taking it to a show is you might ask a person who sells fake carbines. What do think he's going to tell you about it? The bottom line is that people on this are here to help you. I hope it works out for you. |
Posted By: mikeurbas
Date Posted: Mar 15 2019 at 2:40pm
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i was hoping someone would be nice enough to explain what to look for on my sight to tell if its a repro or not. as far as the stock goes, i think its walnut and my old camera is making it look lighter than it really is. thats why i cant post better pictures. also, i was hoping someone at the ohio gun collectors assoc. would be honest enough to give me some right answers. ------------- mike |
Posted By: painter777
Date Posted: Mar 15 2019 at 2:43pm
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Chipins The OP's stock is Walnut, just happens to have some tiger stripping on the right side. Birch (not beech) was used by Sprague & Carlton (sp?) for some IBM stocks. Birch stocks will most often show a 'White Ring' around the pistol grip/wrist area. FWIW, Charlie-Painter777 ------------- Living Free because of those that serve..... |
Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Mar 15 2019 at 2:46pm
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Sprague and Carlton made birch stocks for IBM. They would be marked "SC-B". The OP's stock looks like walnut, with a nice tiger stripe character, marked "JL-B" made by Jamestown Lounge Co. The tops of the "J" and "L" are barely visible. The sling well looks like it's been heavily sanded so it's hard to see the marking. I do not know of anyone who made wartime beech wood stocks. I cannot tell about the CC from the out of focus image. Also, it's position on the stock is unknown from the pictures posted. ------------- JackP |
Posted By: painter777
Date Posted: Mar 15 2019 at 3:23pm
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Even though sanded and refinished it is a really nice looking stock. Has anyone heard or seen the Hand guard marking ? CH-P777 ------------- Living Free because of those that serve..... |
Posted By: mikeurbas
Date Posted: Mar 15 2019 at 3:33pm
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hand guard is marked LW-B very faintly. ------------- mike |
Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Mar 15 2019 at 3:50pm
Mike, In a nutshell, You mention War Baby several times. Please look at the forward in War baby 1, 2, 3. All of them acknowledge the Carbine Club. Larry is a long time club member and contributor. In 2016 the Carbine club stopped producing a newsletter and went online. They are now called the Carbine Collectors Club and you can find their website at http://www.CarbineClub.com " rel="nofollow - www.CarbineClub.com which is also http://www.uscarbinecal30.com" rel="nofollow - www.uscarbinecal30.com and they even have a forum for asking questions http://www.UScarbineCal30.com/Forum" rel="nofollow - www.UScarbineCal30.com/Forum a little history of the club http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/Carbine_Club.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/Carbine_Club.html I am sure many of the members there are quite knowledgeable and can answer all of your questions. Be sure to provide some pictures and listen to what they are saying, even if you need to back up and re-read all of the posts. You state that your rear sight is not a repro, posts were provided saying it was not. If you know for sure it is not a reproduction, I have to ask your motivation for questions about it. The reason you will not get a direct answer as to what is incorrect is that there is a possibility that those making reproduced rear sights will make a better reproduction. What happens when nobody can tell the difference? I know it is not the answer you want to hear, but it is the best you will get. Re: Larry's book and you stating it has the correct marking for IBM. The makings may have the same letters, but that does not make them "Correct". Now you mention no import marks which in the absence of better pictures we would have to capitulate and take your word there are no markings there. I know first hand that lighting and reflections sometimes make apparitions in pictures. Someone asked for pictures of the rear dovetail. A picture will provide clues as to if the carbine originally wore a flip sight or an adjustable sight. It would not be the first time someone took a correct adjustable sight off a carbine by erroneously thinking all wartime produce carbines must have a flip sight. I missed where you said what you paid, but you have posted all over the place. This is another reason why you should keep them together. If you do not mind me asking, where did you buy the carbine? If online can you provide the seller? Your carbine appears very nice, almost too nice. That is most likely why it is getting slightly higher scrutiny. Is your goal here to learn what you want to be true or what is correct? Old camera or new, taking pictures can be difficult. I said it before and I will say it again, take with natural lighting. Do not try to take close-ups. If your camera allows higher resolution please bump it up. If you cannot resize to post then sent them to me and I will crop them. ------------- http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/club-assistance-saginaw-receivers_topic4716.html" rel="nofollow - Club Survey Saginaw Receivers |
Posted By: Rcycles45
Date Posted: Mar 15 2019 at 4:28pm
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Looks like you have a JL-B Birch stock that has been sanded and oiled . It is unfortunate but your rear sight is reproduction . The people who are telling you this have years of experience collecting and comparing and learning about how to tell the difference between a USGI carbine part and a fake one . You will find the real hard core carbine guru's right here trying to help you with your carbine. My advice to you is if your not sure of the authenticity of a carbine or a part your thinking about buying bring your concerns here and you will be directed in the right direction . 
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Posted By: painter777
Date Posted: Mar 15 2019 at 5:09pm
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Op's stock is what is often called American Walnut. It is Eastern Black Walnut. Jamestown  From this Link posted by Newscotlander, I've pulled a picture of a AO-IBM in a S&C B Birch Stock. http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/ibm-ao-3906262_topic2777_page1.html S&C Birch Stock, LW-B Walnut Hand Guard:   HTH, CH-P777
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Posted By: tenOCEE
Date Posted: Mar 15 2019 at 5:14pm
People have been overly nice. Using exclamation marks to shout that your sight isn't reproduction after you even confirmed that it's identical to the reproduction W-B sight posted isn't enough info for you? Using them to shout that someone isn't answering your questions... deldriver and I saw a bunch of the Carbines at Louisville from a former Ohio Gun Collector's collection and a bunch had reproduction rear sights and humped something or another. That display had a couple scores of Carbines.
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Posted By: Why Carbines?
Date Posted: Mar 15 2019 at 5:48pm
Not going to comment or whether the OP's stock is walnut or birch, but Jamestown Longue absolutely used birch. I know because I have on in my stock hoard. |
Posted By: painter777
Date Posted: Mar 15 2019 at 6:28pm
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Hang On, I found a JL-B Birch stock here..... Also have S&C B Birch along with notes on Milton Bradley for IBM Birch. So I've started an Off Topic Mess. I know better.... too many irons in the fire. Maybe confused with the other J...... Jewell. Or just confused. Why Carbines, I Appreciate you calling out my Error (s). Now wondering if I didn't come across a TN Birch some years back ?? A Good Weekend to You, Charlie-Painter777 ------------- Living Free because of those that serve..... |
Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Mar 15 2019 at 6:56pm
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JL produced stocks in Walnut, Birch, and Cherry according to "M1 Carbine A revolution in Gun Stocking" ------------- http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/club-assistance-saginaw-receivers_topic4716.html" rel="nofollow - Club Survey Saginaw Receivers |
Posted By: Why Carbines?
Date Posted: Mar 15 2019 at 7:24pm
| Would like to see a cherry stock by them. Have seen some RMC stocks that were said to be cherry that both did and didn't look like it. Either way, they were some of the nicest looking carbines stocks I've ever seen. |
Posted By: painter777
Date Posted: Mar 15 2019 at 8:15pm
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Thx Dan ! Before I pulled us off course.. I was going to suggest to the OP: STUDY- FLIP SIGHTS, STAKING ON THE RECEIVER DOVETAILS, SIGHT PIN STAKING.... Look over THE MILLING STYLES AND TOOLING MARKS ON FLIP SIGHTS. Learn to recognize the tooling marks that were done in the 1940's. After learning the old Milling styles then study the difference you'll see in the shape and Font of the letters. Compare sights being offered as New Reproduction to Known Originals. Your looking for parts that have knocked around for 75+ years showing the wear and patina from those years. Learn how all the types of rear sights were staked in place. Quite often late style sights have been removed and their stake/punch marks have been filled in and colored over so a earlier Flip style sight can be put back on to look more original. More to it than if the part is real or not. Do your homework and after you've compared those Features, then ask for opinions. It may be a Real Original Flip Sight, but sitting on a Receiver that shows clear signs of having once had a later Adjustable style sight on it. Look over these 2 Examples: https://www.gunbroker.com/item/803579582" rel="nofollow - https://www.gunbroker.com/item/803579582 https://www.gunbroker.com/item/802801064" rel="nofollow - https://www.gunbroker.com/item/802801064 ------------- Living Free because of those that serve..... |
Posted By: painter777
Date Posted: Mar 15 2019 at 8:41pm
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David B from Texas had/has a RMC I felt 99.9% positive it was Cherry. It was a COM Rock-Ola. https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=35247&page=2" rel="nofollow - https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=35247&page=2 A CMP member SKohler (sp?) Had/has a JL-B IIRC most all of us that commented thought was Birch (about a year or so ago). He decided it was it was Cherry. I still believe it was/is Birch http://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=228920" rel="nofollow - http://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=228920 Safe Weekend All, CH-P777 ------------- Living Free because of those that serve..... |
Posted By: tenOCEE
Date Posted: Jan 26 2020 at 1:59pm
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There's a QRMC stock here that has to be Cherry. Finding it is an
issue, but will try to remember to post an image of it. It's tigered,
redish and gorgeous. There are some purple looking stocks here but
probably RSG made. They don't look like Walnut. The only BR B stocks I
have are outstanding looking Walnut ones. They made beautiful stocks.
I remember that odd import mark and it looked like MEDLEX ALEX VA or MEDLEY ALEX VA ------------- My sig: Seen an IP or S'G'? Add it to my registry. We'll check consecutives. https://grandrapids.wufoo.com/forms/zzlnt0519k86xs/" rel="nofollow - https://grandrapids.wufoo.com/forms/zzlnt0519k86xs/ |
Posted By: Smokpole
Date Posted: Jan 26 2020 at 9:00pm
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Mike Funny thing since I have no dog in this fight; When I saw the first picture of the rear sight, I immediately thought "Repro"! While my point count here doesn't reflect it, I've been around collecting for many years and some of these guys know me from way back and from sites no longer in existence. Painter gave you some valuable advise. Do a lot of homework. Study sights carefully. It is super easy to get hoodwinked by some of the repops these days. The reason we don't answer questions like how we spot the fakes is simple. The fakers are getting better all the time and we aren't going to publish on an open forum how we spot them. There is no sense in telling them how to improve their products. Originals are hard to find because so few are left. So treat all of them as suspect until you an be certain they are originals. Right off the top of my head, I saw at least 3 things that said repro. I didn't look any deeper. These guys have a wealth of knowledge and experience. Trust their judgement. BTW I'm usually at OGCA on Saturdays. I help at a table in the small alcove up around aisle D. Ask for Rich's table. I'll likely be somewhere around and can help out. I've been taken on several occasions, particularly when I was a beginning collector. I think most of us have.
------------- OGCA Life member NRA Life member Ashtabula Rod and Gun Life member |
Posted By: mikeurbas
Date Posted: Jan 26 2020 at 9:48pm
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when i finally make an ogca show, i plan to take my carbine to hopefully get it authenticated and i will look you up. thanks, mike. ------------- mike |
Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Jan 27 2020 at 9:58am
Can Confirm! So sad that all that information had to be lost. A great wealth of information is also lost when Photobucket removed years and years of pictures on various sites. ------------- http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/club-assistance-saginaw-receivers_topic4716.html" rel="nofollow - Club Survey Saginaw Receivers |
Posted By: Connor38
Date Posted: Jan 27 2020 at 8:07pm
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hello all, my first time posting on this forum. I’m also on CMP. Just thought I’d give my 2 cents. The rear sight looks incredibly similar to the fake one I bought from L&S supply years back when I was first bitten by the carbine bug. The one I bought was a square s sight, but the machining marks are exactly alike. Original rear sights imo are almost never that perfect. The only original rear sights I’ve seen with staking around the pin done so close to perfect were on IP rear sights. One of them I bought from Rcycles45.
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Posted By: tenOCEE
Date Posted: Jan 27 2020 at 8:14pm
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Shhh.  sometimes people are just fishing for tips on IDing stuff so they can beat you out on an auction. Welcome over here. That was an accurate first post. ------------- My sig: Seen an IP or S'G'? Add it to my registry. We'll check consecutives. https://grandrapids.wufoo.com/forms/zzlnt0519k86xs/" rel="nofollow - https://grandrapids.wufoo.com/forms/zzlnt0519k86xs/ |
Posted By: Connor38
Date Posted: Jan 27 2020 at 8:21pm
| why thank you and thanks for the heads up! I got into the hobby, then pulled out to do homework before popping my head back up again. When I popped back in, I realized I still have a ton to learn. Carbines are not easy... but fun! |
Posted By: tenOCEE
Date Posted: Jan 27 2020 at 8:24pm
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They sure aren't easy. I'm lazy so learning is an every-week-something-else-is-new for me. Like most things people get to a comfort level and if you're 'winning' it's easy to just float along enjoying the ride. ------------- My sig: Seen an IP or S'G'? Add it to my registry. We'll check consecutives. https://grandrapids.wufoo.com/forms/zzlnt0519k86xs/" rel="nofollow - https://grandrapids.wufoo.com/forms/zzlnt0519k86xs/ |
Posted By: Smokpole
Date Posted: Jan 27 2020 at 8:26pm
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The more you learn about carbines, the more you realize there is to learn! I've collected for 30 years and am only a beginner! ------------- OGCA Life member NRA Life member Ashtabula Rod and Gun Life member |
Posted By: Connor38
Date Posted: Jan 27 2020 at 8:27pm
Ahhhh right when I was starting to think that I’m always going to be a beginner! My suspicions seem to be confirmed! 
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Posted By: painter777
Date Posted: Mar 07 2022 at 12:32am
Last Visit: 26 Jan, 2020 9:48 pm Wonder if he ever made it to a OGCA Show and received a knowledgeable carbine experts advice ? Looking back, a few good pictures could have gave him the answers that he wasn't here to hear. Sorry had to post after reading this again today. Ch-P777 ------------- Living Free because of those that serve..... |
Posted By: Smokpole
Date Posted: Mar 07 2022 at 8:09pm
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I haven't missed many OGCA shows since then and I still hang out at the same table. I haven't seen him yet. ------------- OGCA Life member NRA Life member Ashtabula Rod and Gun Life member |