New to me Inland 1945
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Topic: New to me Inland 1945
Posted By: Hardknocks
Subject: New to me Inland 1945
Date Posted: Oct 14 2018 at 4:28pm
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Hi all So I didn't plan to bring one home today but I had some help from another vendor and I felt comfortable with his assessment as he broke it down (Seller said no problem) take it apart. Bore gauge in end of barrel just under the number 1 line. Inland upper wood with 2 rivets is not correct he said? Also screw at rear of stock should be blue? Stock is inland marked but can't see stamp on side. He said all else looked good? Take a look Thanks |
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Posted By: Hardknocks
Date Posted: Oct 14 2018 at 4:31pm
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Posted By: BER911
Date Posted: Oct 14 2018 at 4:47pm
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Sounds like a very nice carbine. Pictures are not that difficult to post. The biggest problem is the picture size must be under 500kb. I have to re-size all my pictures before they will post. ------------- Semper Fi, Bruce |
Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Oct 15 2018 at 8:11pm
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Hardknocks, If you need help with pictures you can send them to me to install in your file for posting. Your 3rd party hosting evidently made t too small. P.S. Nice real deal late housing
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Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Oct 16 2018 at 11:11am
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Posted By: Hardknocks
Date Posted: Oct 16 2018 at 4:56pm
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So this is my first M1 It seems to have many inland parts does this tell me anything? Do the purists leave the carbine as is? Any information is appreciated. What us a general price range this would fall into? Thanks Mike |
Posted By: Why Carbines?
Date Posted: Oct 16 2018 at 7:24pm
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Generally, everything looks correct for such a late Inland carbine, with the exception of the handguard you mentioned. I wonder what went on behind the front sight, that's a pretty good finish blip. I wonder if it's some kind of temporary barrel attachment. Good looking Inland |
Posted By: Why Carbines?
Date Posted: Oct 16 2018 at 7:29pm
Mike, there are times where the term purists is used as a four letter word.  Pricing on such late Inland and WRA carbines can be very subjective to lots of factors. Most guys want early flip sights, type one bands and dogleg hammers, on the other hand the later carbines are often in the best condition...it just depends on a particular buyer. |
Hardknocks wrote:Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Oct 16 2018 at 8:04pm
That does look to be the spot where the hinged top strap of a recoil check or flash hider could have been. ------------- Wayne USMC Retired NRA Life Member |
Posted By: Hardknocks
Date Posted: Oct 16 2018 at 8:28pm
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Being new to the carbine it seemed good to have mostly inland parts, can't really see a acceptance stamp on the stock. Would I be safe to shoot this or do I need to get the headspace checked? I gave $1,150.00 Thanks for taking the time. |
Posted By: GotSnlB28
Date Posted: Oct 16 2018 at 10:18pm
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That is a nice looking late inland. I have seen those double stamped AI barrel bands before on rifles in this serial range. Interesting it has the type 6 housing. If you pull the slide back, you should find a handstamped '1' on the receiver ring, usually lower right of the M. I always check the headspace to be certain. But fortunately I have never had one that didn't pass. More than likely, you'd be fine. |
Posted By: Hardknocks
Date Posted: Oct 17 2018 at 7:08pm
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Hello all From what I have read all the carbines were rebuilt so how come this one has mostly inland parts? Any way to tell? Thanks Mike |
Posted By: GotSnlB28
Date Posted: Oct 17 2018 at 9:24pm
Some were not rebuilt. You'll see more of these late serial rifles in original condition (or with a larger % of original parts) as they had the latest parts. I generally go by finish and wear patterns, rebuild/acceptance marks, and comparison against other rifles I know or have good reason to believe are original. Also collectors "correct". |
Posted By: Hardknocks
Date Posted: Oct 28 2018 at 5:47pm
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Hello all the oiler is marked SI so that's another good thing. the 1 on the M1 receiver ring stamp does not line up with the M as GotSnlB28 mentioned. whats the opinion on the magazine pouch? repop? thanks again Mike |
Posted By: Hardknocks
Date Posted: Nov 03 2018 at 2:54pm
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Hi all took it apart to clean, more matching parts i believe. from what i read this is somewhat unusual all the matching parts, or someone put it together. anyhoo i am happy with the M1. from the info I can gather from searching it looks like the stock is from a earlier inland.? I also read not all stocks had the cartouche. thanks Mike https://postimg.cc/k2dnPdPB" rel="nofollow">  https://postimg.cc/R6qmLSKb" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Nov 03 2018 at 3:57pm
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Mike, Nice RI late sear! The FI trigger I forget if earlier or later. made by Reflector Hardware and think they were also marked R.H.I. or something to that effect. All carbines accepted by the military had the CC. It was proof of government ownership. If a stock was replaced it would not have the CC. If rebuilt or owner sanded the CC might be gone. Good stuff, Thanks for sharing! ------------- http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/club-assistance-saginaw-receivers_topic4716.html" rel="nofollow - Club Survey Saginaw Receivers |
Posted By: Paul1262
Date Posted: Nov 03 2018 at 4:33pm
| I learn something every time a sign in. I did not realize that a rebuild carbine with no crossed cannons on the stock indicated that it was never accepted by the military or owned by the government. |
Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Nov 03 2018 at 5:59pm
Paul, You misunderstand what I wrote. the CC was applied at the factory when the government accepted the carbine. These carbines later may have undergone a rebuild where the stocks were sanded. Just because the CC was removed did not change the fact that it was owned by the government. The CC meant nothing to the rebuild. If stateside the rebuild arsenal would put their mark on it. Some stocks had many marks of the rebuild but you can still see the CC. Wartime replacement spare stocks would not have the ordnance stamp (ownership) and would be used for field replacement for a broken or damaged stock.  ------------- http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/club-assistance-saginaw-receivers_topic4716.html" rel="nofollow - Club Survey Saginaw Receivers |
Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Nov 03 2018 at 6:09pm
Hardknocks your oiler is marked IS for International Silver not SI. As far as your Magazine Pouch (Pocket) goes and I could be wrong, but it looks real to me. ------------- Wayne USMC Retired NRA Life Member |
Posted By: Hardknocks
Date Posted: Nov 03 2018 at 7:41pm
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Hi all Thanks for all the good information. Mike |
Posted By: Paul1262
Date Posted: Nov 05 2018 at 12:18pm
| Dan, Did the government stamp rebuild carbines with the cross cannons prior to being redistributed to military units? |
Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Nov 05 2018 at 1:10pm
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Paul, Why don't you start here. scroll down to stock marks and read to end of the page. http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/stocks.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/stocks.html After that read this page on rebuilds http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/postwar.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/postwar.html And then we can go from there. Best, Dan
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Posted By: Paul1262
Date Posted: Nov 05 2018 at 1:38pm
| Dan, Thanks for the reference. Does the encircled P on the front of the hand grip indicate that it was a rebuild inspected by Ordnance? Essentially, the same meaning as cross cannons on an original carbine? |
Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Nov 05 2018 at 4:06pm
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P in circle and CC are two different things. There were stamped P in circle which was very specific in size and style that was used by a few manufacturers early on. The crossed cannons were ordnance acceptance stamps when they were manufactured. The exception to crossed cannons would be those seen on SA rebuilds as SA had a CC stamp. Another exception there is not enough evidence of is the small cc discussed in other threads on the P-U, P-J, and large J marked stocks. There were many stateside arsenals that did rebuilds. The arsenals were government run, many with civilian workers. Think of the CC as "Kilroy was here". It was a form of accounting. It marked the carbines that were now government property. Lightly and loosely: If you stole a carbine from the factory you would be guilty of local theft. If you stole one with the CC it would be a federal crime as you now stole from the government. Edit To Add: Inland, Winchester, Underwood, IP/S'G' were the only ones to have the P in a circle on the bottom of the grip. This was early on and dropped mid 43. If you have the P in circle on any other stock used by another manufacturer then it would surely be from a rebuild (or humpestry) ------------- http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/club-assistance-saginaw-receivers_topic4716.html" rel="nofollow - Club Survey Saginaw Receivers |
Posted By: Paul1262
Date Posted: Nov 05 2018 at 4:18pm
| Dan, I really appreciate the level of detail contained in each of your responses. |
Posted By: Hardknocks
Date Posted: Nov 05 2018 at 7:16pm
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Hello Folks to add to the story. I was cleaning up the wood and I found what looks like the cartouche I'm pretty sure this is where its supposed to be. i have read alot on uscarbine30.com and im not sure this carbine would have been originally issued with this stock. (I know the two rivet handguard is incorrect) it seems to me with my limited experience this carbine was not rebuilt, it was shot but i dont see alot of wear. looks like it has all the correctly labeled inland parts. I guess someone could have cobbled the parts to make it correct, I didn't buy the story but there was one. the carbine sat in a foot locker that was not opened for 40 years? who knows! i guess there is no way to be sure of its history. well ammo is on the way so soon i will see how it shoots. i see prices all over but i feel like i did OK for what i paid. thanks again Mike https://postimg.cc/tYR29Syz" rel="nofollow">  https://postimg.cc/phTLWMGH" rel="nofollow">  |
Posted By: Hardknocks
Date Posted: Feb 22 2019 at 7:11pm
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Hi all I checked the headspace and it is fine. Finally ran 75 rounds down range. 25 yards pretty impressive groups. How about the stamp on the stock I didn't get any opinions. Thanks again for all the information. Regards Mike |