M1 carbine magazine pouch
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Topic: M1 carbine magazine pouch
Posted By: Paul1262
Subject: M1 carbine magazine pouch
Date Posted: Aug 07 2018 at 2:11pm
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Does anyone know where I might gain some knowledge on the above subject topic? Also, where I might buy an original pouch. Thanks in advance. |
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Posted By: rtr091112
Date Posted: Aug 07 2018 at 2:25pm
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You can find them on Ebay or CMP forum members have them for sale sometimes |
Posted By: Paul1262
Date Posted: Aug 07 2018 at 3:08pm
| I really would like to know more about the pouches i.e. who the prime manufacturers were, production numbers, dates, etc. Photographs would be really helpful. Thanks. |
Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Aug 07 2018 at 3:26pm
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The most complete source of information that I have found is Larry Ruth's War Baby III, Chapter 133. There are lists of manufacturers, production dates, pouch colors, photos and types. However, I have not seen anything that shows production numbers. ------------- JackP |
Posted By: David Albert
Date Posted: Aug 07 2018 at 8:24pm
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Exact production numbers have not been published, to my knowledge. I second jackp1028's recommendation of WBIII for the broadest information on the subject. Its predecessor, War Baby II also has almost the same information. WBIII has the most recently updated information. It's an expensive book, so if you're looking for a cheaper alternative with some information on pouches, Craig Riesch's "U.S. M1 Carbines, Wartime Production" has a few pages on the subject that will show you what to look for, but it does not include a list of manufacturers like WBIII does. David Albert dalbert@sturmgewehr.com ------------- NRA Life Member Past Pres., The American Thompson Association Amer. Society of Arms Collectors OGCA/TCA/Carbine Club/GCA/IAA SAR Writer Author - The Many Firearm Designs of Eugene Reising Eagle Scout |
Posted By: Paul1262
Date Posted: Aug 07 2018 at 8:39pm
| Jack/David - Thanks. Given the price of Larry Ruth's "Wartime Baby 111" I think that I will start my research project with a copy of Craig Riesch's "US M1 Carbines Wartime Production". |
Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Aug 07 2018 at 9:13pm
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Paul, Here is a very old thread from gunboards about pouches, not really filled with info but it is interesting. https://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?666-M-1-Carbine-pouch-information" rel="nofollow - https://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?666-M-1-Carbine-pouch-information ------------- Wayne USMC Retired NRA Life Member |
Posted By: David Albert
Date Posted: Aug 07 2018 at 9:25pm
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Paul1262, Another suggestion is to look on eBay, and gather photographic examples of M1 Carbine pouches. You will find quite a few manufacturers, and observe marking differences, etc. You can combine this with the basics as covered by Riesch, and probably get to where you want to be. Maybe take a look at WBIII at a gun show, and decide if it's worth the investment in the long run. David Albert dalbert@sturmgewehr.com Edit: I just took a look at the Gunboards thread that W5USMC posted, and the poster did a great job of photographically documenting the many M1 Carbine pouches in his collection. I suggest you use this as a basis, and see how many more you can spot on eBay, and add for your reference. ------------- NRA Life Member Past Pres., The American Thompson Association Amer. Society of Arms Collectors OGCA/TCA/Carbine Club/GCA/IAA SAR Writer Author - The Many Firearm Designs of Eugene Reising Eagle Scout |
Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Aug 07 2018 at 9:39pm
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Paul, I hope you already have a copy of Riesch's book. Looks like prices have gone up, at least on Amazon. ------------- JackP |
Posted By: Donnie
Date Posted: Aug 08 2018 at 3:08am
Paul, Riesch's book is excellent overall and very inexpensive...well until it recently went out of production and has sold out. Grab a new or used one quick as prices are spiking. Surprisingly Fulton Armory has them on sale for $20.00!! Look under M1 Carbine accessories. Amazon has some priced insanely high. |
Paul1262 wrote:Posted By: shadycon
Date Posted: Aug 08 2018 at 7:56am
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Amazon is overpriced in my opinion! ------------- M1's are FUN!!! TSMG's are more FUN!!! |
Posted By: zenfly
Date Posted: Aug 08 2018 at 10:48am
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I jumped too fast and posted here about my price shock then I found the book on ebay for $20+6 from a guy in Canada. ------------- Fly Fishing boat Capt Port Canaveral..FFF / CCI |
Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Aug 08 2018 at 4:27pm
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First and fore most, It is a magazine "Pocket" Stock no. 74-P-143-60 which was found in a quartermaster supply catalog 1943. see CCNL 213 and 276. Though the club has also used the common name as pouch over and over again. From CCNL 190 has 6 pages of manufactures and markings with an update in CCNL Jim Flavin did a comprehensive update and separated the early belt pockets which are referred to stock pouches in CCNL 261 followed up by the later in CCNL 262 which also has info on 30 rounds pockets/pouches without counting I am sure there are over 100 variations. 13 previously missed markings were reported in CCNL 293 In CCNL 121 (keep in mind time frame) that there was over 60 manufacturers of pockets. It points out discretionary issue to officer or enlisted men carrying a carbine was 6 pockets. With over 6 million carbines produced this would be 36 million pockets without counting spares! There are over a dozen newsletters with tidbits including the reproductions being spotted that many are buying now as original. For those that are unaware go to the CCNL back issues and index section and download the 3 searchable indexes http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/topic-index-of-back-issues_topic3406.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/topic-index-of-back-issues_topic3406.html Using the ctrl F (control button and letter F) will open a search box. You can cruise through the indexes to find which newsletters have info. In this case if someone is seriously interested in this topic just ask and we can point out which newsletters would be a must have. What I did not touch on if the foreign versions reported. ------------- http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/club-assistance-saginaw-receivers_topic4716.html" rel="nofollow - Club Survey Saginaw Receivers |
Posted By: Paul1262
Date Posted: Aug 08 2018 at 5:09pm
| New2brass - Thanks for the detailed sources of information regarding "magazine pockets". I continue to be amazed at the level of knowledge forum members have. Thanks for taking the time and effort to prepare this guidance. |
Posted By: Paul1262
Date Posted: Aug 08 2018 at 5:12pm
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W5USMC - Thanks for the information. The gun board thread was really helpful. Paul |
Posted By: Road Rat
Date Posted: Aug 08 2018 at 6:32pm
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I don't see anything here that looks anything like the butt stock pouch I have. Probably an after market? https://imgur.com/LLlWAJM" rel="nofollow">   ------------- Retired USAF MSGT Alumni SAFSP |
Posted By: David Albert
Date Posted: Aug 08 2018 at 8:41pm
Road Rat, Yes, your pouch is a reproduction. David Albert dalbert@sturmgewehr.com ------------- NRA Life Member Past Pres., The American Thompson Association Amer. Society of Arms Collectors OGCA/TCA/Carbine Club/GCA/IAA SAR Writer Author - The Many Firearm Designs of Eugene Reising Eagle Scout |
Posted By: Road Rat
Date Posted: Aug 08 2018 at 9:34pm
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Thanks. It doesn't bother me as I am not a collector - just an accumulator and this one matches my 1942 Carbine so my display looks good. Appreciate the response. ------------- Retired USAF MSGT Alumni SAFSP |
Posted By: shadycon
Date Posted: Aug 09 2018 at 7:33am
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I look at the snap stud first, the quickest way to tell a fake. ------------- M1's are FUN!!! TSMG's are more FUN!!! |
Posted By: Road Rat
Date Posted: Aug 10 2018 at 10:26am
That would "assume" I know the difference between the two.... LOL  ------------- Retired USAF MSGT Alumni SAFSP |
Posted By: shadycon
Date Posted: Aug 10 2018 at 3:24pm
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The manuf. is usually stamped on the back side of the stud. You would see it on your pic.. ------------- M1's are FUN!!! TSMG's are more FUN!!! |
Posted By: Paul1262
Date Posted: Aug 16 2018 at 3:55pm
| I have read that some butt stock pouches "pockets" fit the 15 round magazines better than others. Does anyone have a recommended vendor for a USGI or reproduction pouch currently being sold that will fit for sure? |
Posted By: Donnie
Date Posted: Aug 16 2018 at 4:24pm
I bought this repo one from Amazon. USGI and Korean mags fit fine and it fits over the stock, too. Cheap and works. I hope I don't get too many tomatoes thrown at me for suggesting a repo pouche for the range. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00PBA4UYQ/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 
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Posted By: Dnikkor
Date Posted: Aug 21 2018 at 11:12pm
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FWIW, below is the best list I've found for T1 (stock) and T2 (belt) pouches. Unfortunately, I don't remember where I got it. T1 YEAR MANUFACTURED 1942 Atlas Awning 1942 Boyle 1942 J.Q.M.D. 1942 Mid West Duck & Canvas Co. 1942 Rubon K.C. 1942 R.B. Hanson Mfg. Co 1942 Saco-Moc Shoe Corp. 1943 A.G. Corp. 1943 Airtress Midland 1943 Appleton Awning Shop 1943 Altas Mfg. Co. 1943 Avery 1943 B.B., Inc. 1943 B.B.S. Co. 1943 Biscayne Tent & Awning Co. 1943 Boyd & Gould 1943 Boyt 1943 Charlotte Tent & Awning Co. 1943 Coglizer Tent & Awning Co. 1943 D.M. Shoe Co 1943 Excell 1943 Gates Mfg. Co. 1943 G.B. Co. 1943 G.B. Mfg. Co., Inc. 1943 G. & R. Co. 1943 Gen. S. Corp. 1943 Gen. Shoe. Corp. 1943 Hamlin Canvas Goods Co. 1943 Hav. Stch. Co. 1943 Hepburn Mfg. Co. 1943 Hoff 1943 H St. Co. 1943 J.Q.M.D. 1943 J.S. & S. Co. 1943 Kadin 1943 K.C. 1943 Larid Schrober 1943 Lee 1943 Mid West Duck & Canvas Co. 1943 Morrow & Douglas 1943 Parfait 1943 R.B. Hanson Mfg. Co.. 1943 Rubon K.C. 1943 Saco-Mac Shoe Corp. 1943 S.F. Co., Inc. 1943 S. Froehlich Co. 1943 S. Froehlich Co. Inc 1943 T.F.S. Co. 1943 Thompson's 1943 Updike Awning Co. 1943 Victory 1943 Walter E Allen 1944 Airtess Midland 1944 Arnold Mfg. Co. 1944 Biscayne Tent & Awning Co. Inc. 1944 Boyt 1944 R.B. Hanson Mfg. Co. 1944 H st Co. 1945 Boyt 1946 H st Co. T2 YEAR MANUFACTURED 1943 Avery 1943 Camlin Fashions of America, Inc. 1943 Gamer 1943 George S. Rumley Co. 1943 Hamlin Canvas Goods Co. 1943 Midland Fabrics Co. 1943 Pittsburgh Gater Co. 1943 S. Froelich Co. 1944 Arnold Mfg. Co. 1944 R.B. Hanson Mfg. Co. 1944 A-G Corp. 1944 Avery 1944 Camlin Fashions of America, Inc. 1944 Clery 1944 Foley Mfg. Company 1944 Geib, Inc. 1944 George S. Rumley Co. 1944 H AM L Co. 1944 J.A. Shoe 1944 Kadin 1944 Midland Fabrics Co. 1944 Pittsburgh Gater Co. 1944 Puce Manufacturing Co. 1944 St. Croix G. Co. 1945 Ajay 1945 Aldon 1945 Avery 1945 B.A.B. Co. 1945 Caldwell Products 1945 Cedar Rapids Tent & Awning Co. 1945 DAPCO INC. 1945 Gailee 1945 General Shirt Co. 1945 George S Rumley Co. 1945 Kadin 1945 Parfait 1945 R.B. Hanson Mfg. Co. 1945 Redwine & Strain 1945 Regal Rugs 1951 Correct Shoes, Inc. 1951 Dale Footwear Inc. 1951 J.Q.M.D. 1951 Shoe-Moc Shoe 1951 Arkelian Co. 1952 Bras. W. Breneman Co. 1952 Correct Shoes, Inc. 1952 Gosset Shoes Inc. 1952 Harian Co. 1952 J.Q.M.D. 1952 Santa Fe Electric Laundry Co. 1953 Santa Fe Electric Laundry Co. 1956 Tweedie Footwear Corporation 1957 Ranier Bell Co., Inc. |
Posted By: Dnikkor
Date Posted: Aug 21 2018 at 11:15pm
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And also FWIW, here is the list of M1 Carbine pouches I've spent too much money on. This includes the ones I still don't have. Hint Hint WWII T1 Pouch collection: AG Corp 1943 AIRTRESS MIDLAND 1943, 44 APPLETON AWNING SHOP 1943 ARNOLD MFG CO 1944 ATLAS AWNING 1942 AVERY 1943 B.B. INC 1943 BISCANE TENT & AWNING CO. 1943 Boyd & Gould 1943 Boyle 1942 BOYT -43- CHAROLETT TENT & AWNING CO. 1943 D.M. SHOE CO. 1943 GATES MFG. CO. 1943 G.B. CO. 1943 GEN S. CORP. 1943 G & R C. 1943 Hamlin Canvas Good Co. 1943 R.B. HANSON MFG CO. 1944 HAV.STCH CO. 1943 Hepburn Mfg. Co. 1943 HOFF 1943 H. st. CO. 1943 KADIN 1943 J.S.&S. CO. 1943 J.Q.M.D. 1942 LAIRD SCHOBER 1943 MID-WEST DUCK & CANVAS CO. 1942 PARFAIT 1943 RUBON K.C. 1942, 1943 SACO-MOC SHOE CORP. 1943 S. FROEHLICH CO. 1943 T.F.S. CO.-1943 Thompson's 43 VICTORY 1943 WALTER E. ALLEN 1943 WWII T2 Pouches A-G Corp. 1944 ALDON 1945 ARNOLD MFG. CO. 1944 AVERY 1944, 1945 CALDWELL PRODUCTS CO 1945 CAMLIN FASHIONS OF AMERICA, Inc. 1944 FOLEY MFG. COMPANY 1944 GEIB, Inc. 1944 GAILEE 1945 GENERAL SHIRT CO. 1945 GEORGE S. RUMLEY CO. 1943 & 1945 R.B. HANSON MRG. CO. 1945 HAMELCO 1944 J.A. SHOE 1944 Luce Manufacturing Co. 1944 MIDLAND FABRICS CO. 1944 REDWINE & STRAIN 1945 ST. CROIX G. CO 1944 Korean War T2 Pouches ¬¬ ARAKELIAN CO. 1952 ARNOLD CORRECT SHOE INC. 1952 CHAS. W. BRENEMAN CO. 1952 CORRECT SHOES, INC. 1952 DALE FOOTWEAR INC. 1951 HARIAN CO. 1952 J.Q.M.D. 1951 SACO. MOC. SHOE 1951 SANTA FE ELECTRIC LORY. COM 1952 TWEEDIE FOOTWEAR CORPORATION 1956, 1957 WWII T3 Pouches (TIIIA) BOYT USMC 1944 (TIIIB) BOYT -44- NOM. -43055 (TIIIB) S.F.CO. Inc 1943 No.m 39061 T1 Pouches missing from collection: ___ ATLAS MFG CO. ¬¬¬___ B.B.S. CO. 1943 ___ BICHFORD BROS ___ Boyd & Gould 1943 ___ Coglizer Tent & Awning Co. 1943 ___ Excel 1943 ___ Gen. Shoe. Corp. 1943 ___ K.C. 1943 ___ Lee 1943 ___ Morrow & Douglas 1943 ___M&H CO. 1943 ___ S&F CO. 1943 ___ UPDIKE AWNING CO. 1943 |
Posted By: Paul1262
Date Posted: Aug 22 2018 at 7:06am
| Dnikkor - Thank you very much. This is a terrific list of T1 and T2 pouch manufacturers. |
Posted By: Paul1262
Date Posted: Aug 22 2018 at 2:25pm
| Danikor - You have a very impressive collection of magazine "pockets" - pouches. I wish you the best of luck in completing your collection. Again, thanks for compiling these most helpful lists. |
Posted By: Dnikkor
Date Posted: Aug 22 2018 at 7:53pm
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Thanks Paul. I started collecting magazines in between CMP carbines, especially after they disappeared. And then started on the mag pouches when I started running out of different magazines to add to my collection. I'm still a little mad at myself for selling off an Updike Awning Co. pouch before I started to seriously collect them. Now I can't find one. Does anybody know of a T1 magazine pouch that isn't on my list? |
Posted By: Paul1262
Date Posted: Aug 22 2018 at 8:28pm
| Dnikor, There was a 1943 Updike Awning Co pouch for sale on the 44th Collectors Avenue web site. No price shown. |
Posted By: Dnikkor
Date Posted: Aug 22 2018 at 9:30pm
| I couldn't find the pouch, but if their prices I see are any indication, I don't think I need that particular pouch that bad. Thanks though Paul. |
Posted By: sling00
Date Posted: Feb 15 2019 at 6:38am
I didn't see KINGSLEY FASHIONS INC 1943.
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Posted By: Dnikkor
Date Posted: Feb 15 2019 at 9:40am
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I never heard of that one. It's on my list now. Just what I need...another rare one to add to my list of other rare ones I'm missing. Thanks! |
Posted By: sling00
Date Posted: Feb 15 2019 at 11:30am
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FYI, here's the lists from the site I referenced in the other post. I made a couple comments regarding possible errors. Also it looks like they only covered WWII vintage. Some type I manufacturers identified Dated AG CORP 1943 AIRTRESS MIDLAND 1943-1944 ALDON 1943 APPLETON AWNING SHOP 1943 ATLAS AWNING 1942 ATLAS Mfg Co 1943 AVERY 1943 BB Inc 1943 BBS Co 1943 BISCAYNE TENT & AWNING Co 1943 BOYD & GOULD 1943 BOYT 1942 CHARLOTTE TENT & AWNING Co 1943 COGLIZER TENT & AWNING Co 1943 DM SHOE Co 1943 EXCEL 1943 G & P Co 1943 (Perhaps a poorly printed R, not P?) G & R Co 1943 GAILEE 1943 GAMLIN FASHIONS OF AMERICA Inc 1942 (Perhaps CAMLIN ?) GATES Mfg Co 1942 GB Mfg Co 1943 GEN S. CORP 1943 GEORGE S. RUMLEY Co 1943 HAMLIN CANVAS GOODS 1943 HAV. STCH. Co 1943 HEPBURN Mfg Co 1943 HOFF 1943 JS & S. Co 1943 JQMD 1942-1943 KADIN 1943 KINGSLEY FASHIONS Inc 1943 LAIRD SCHOBER 1943 LEE 1943 LUCE MANUFACTURING Co 1943 MID-WEST DUCK & CANVAS Co 1942-1943 MORROW & DOUGLAS 1943 PERFECT 1942-1943 RB HANSON Mfg. Co 1942-1943 RUBON KC 1942-1943 SACO-MOC SHOE CORP 1942-1943 SF Co. Inc 1943 S. FROEHLICH Co 1943 TFS Co 1943 THOMPSON'S 1943 UNITED DEFENSE 1943 UPDIKE AWNING Co 1943 VICTORY 1943 WALTER E. ALLEN 1943 Some Type II manufacturers identified Dated AG CORP 1943-1944 AJAY 1945 ALDON 1945 ARNOLD Mfg. Co 1944 AVERY 1943-1944-1945 BAB Co 1944 CALDWELL PRODUCTS Co 1945 CEDAR RAPIDS TENT & AWNING Co 1945 FOLEY Mfg. Co 1944-1945 GAILEE 1945 GAMLIN FASHIONS OF AMERICA Inc 1944-1945 (Perhaps CAMLIN ?) GEIB Co 1944 GENERAL SHIRT Co 1945 GEORGE S. RUMLEY Co 1944-1945 HAMEL Co 1944-1945 JA SHOE 1943-1944 KADIN 1944 KANAK Co 1943 LUCE Mfg. Co 1944 MIDLAND FABRICS Co 1943 PITTSBURGH GARTER Co 1944 RB HANSON Mfg. Co 1945 ST. GARMENT CROSS 1944 REDWINE & STRAIN 1945 REGAL RUGS 1945 RUBON KC 1944 |
Posted By: Matt_X
Date Posted: Dec 08 2021 at 6:17pm
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Notice something unusual here?  I found a couple of people on the USmilitaria forum who have seen the same. http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/118340-m1-carbine-pouch-motherload/&do=findComment&comment=883550" rel="nofollow - https://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/118340-m1-carbine-pouch-motherload/&do=findComment&comment=883550 Two 1944 Avery examples in first post.  Whether the binding is Nylon, Rayon, or another more
plentiful wartime sythetic fiber I can't say. It's fairly stiff which
raises some doubt about it being one of the softer synthetics. Also with nylon was being diverted for specific military needs, its hard to fathom why it would be used for cloth tape when cotton canvas was serving well. Could be as manufactured, but I'd also believe later repair. Funny thing is none of the examples show wear. :) |
Posted By: john843
Date Posted: Dec 08 2021 at 7:42pm
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There is a guy, username mrrm, who is selling NOS WWII ('43 & '44) Boyt and I think Hansen stock pockets on the CMP for sale and trade listings (M-1 Carbine section). Had quite a few a couple days ago. John |
Posted By: sling00
Date Posted: Dec 08 2021 at 8:22pm
| Refer to CCNL 261 page 5. It list a 1944 Avery with nylon piping. |
Posted By: HammerGrunt
Date Posted: Dec 08 2021 at 8:39pm
| I have several 1942 made pockets and I think they are a great part of the "All Hands On Deck" effort of American Companies to support the War effort. |
Posted By: HammerGrunt
Date Posted: Dec 08 2021 at 8:50pm
------------- Semper Fidelis! |
Posted By: sling00
Date Posted: Dec 08 2021 at 9:17pm
| Unfortunately I've seen at least one reproduction with the snap offset. The good thing is they did list it as a reproduction. Also look at the main snap. Shouldn't be just a flat plate on the back side. |
Posted By: Dnikkor
Date Posted: Dec 09 2021 at 10:56pm
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The pouches (and other accoutrements) marked JTL are all reproductions. I once paid more than $71 for a Type 4 "banana mag" pouch. It did include two near-mint SEY 30-rounders however. I just bought a 1944 and a 1945 Avery both with the nylon piping as part of a deal to get a Parfait 1945 T2 pouch that I did not have in my collection. I'm up to 26 unique WWII T2 pouches and 39 T1 "stock" pouches, not counting duplicates. It is getting really hard to find any of the few I am missing. |
Posted By: Sawbones
Date Posted: Feb 17 2023 at 12:07pm
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FYI nylon was invented in 1938; the first nylon parachute in 1942 to replace silk. Rayon in its infancy in 1894 with a long succession of improvements over several decades into the 1950s. Doesn't seem reasonable manufacturers in those days would use expensive synthetic cloths over cheap abundant cotton to make their pouches. ------------- "Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut." Ernest Hemingway |
Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Mar 15 2023 at 10:32am
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I have been working on compiling a list with company, dates, types Typos, error, etc Gamlin is Camlin, located in NY Santa Fe Electric LDRY (laundry) in New Mexico Hamelco Co in New York BICKFORD BROS Will be adding any other finding soon
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Posted By: Matt_X
Date Posted: Mar 19 2023 at 6:42pm
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Some UK made ones. None of which are on the list above, although may be in WBII or III
Quoted from US Militaria Forum https://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/361838-british-made-carbine-pouch/&do=findComment&comment=2871675" rel="nofollow - Browninggunner6 88 wrote : From Ben Majors excellent book on British made U.S. clothing and equipment.... [Type I], Pocket, cartridge, cal. .30, M-1, carbine or rifle (stock No. 74-143-60). The belt snap is off centre on this pouch when looking at it from the back, short re- enforcing strip on male part of the LTD snap, short squat appearance. Manufacturers are....... A.C. LIMITED 1943 B.S. LIMITED 1943 M. WRIGHT & SONS (M.W.&S.)Limited 1943 M.E.Co 1943
[Variation 2?*] Pocket, Magazine, Double, Web, For Carbine, Cal. .30 (stock No. 74-C-147). The belt snap is centre of the pouch when looking at it from the back, long re-enforcing strip on male part of the LTD snap. Taller appearance than the other pouch. Manufacturers are... A.C. LIMITED 1943, 1944
B.S. LIMITED 1944 * I'm unsure about this description being a pocket for carbine magazines rather than 1911 magazines. Follow the link above for photos, measurements and discussion. |
Posted By: Smokpole
Date Posted: Mar 19 2023 at 7:19pm
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I believe there was a combination pouch that took either the carbine mag or the 1911 mag. It was longer but had stitching on both sides near the bottom that held the 1911 mag centered. I've seen a couple, but didn't pay much attention to them. ------------- OGCA Life member NRA Life member Ashtabula Rod and Gun Life member |
Posted By: sling00
Date Posted: Mar 20 2023 at 6:17am
Riesch refers to them as Type IIIA or IIIB which are a variation of Type I (Stock) pouch. IIIA are marked BOYT or S.F. CO. Inc. IIIB are BOYT with a large U.S.M.C.
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Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Mar 21 2023 at 3:02pm
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Here is a new one for the list  ------------- http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/club-assistance-saginaw-receivers_topic4716.html" rel="nofollow - Club Survey Saginaw Receivers |
Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Mar 21 2023 at 3:25pm
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Think that is listed in WBII or III, I had it on my list already. Still not often seen. ------------- Wayne USMC Retired NRA Life Member |
Posted By: Oldboy53
Date Posted: Mar 22 2023 at 11:09am
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I haven't seen this in any of the lists, is it legit? G.S. MFG. CO., Inc. 1 9 4 3 It has a RAU FASTENER CO PROV. R.I. snap on the back, unnamed with a dot snap on the front. Thanks, Lou.  ------------- GSMC(SW),USN 2/77-11/89 |
Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Mar 22 2023 at 11:19am
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I believe it is G.B Mfg ------------- http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/club-assistance-saginaw-receivers_topic4716.html" rel="nofollow - Club Survey Saginaw Receivers |
Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Mar 22 2023 at 11:43am
------------- Wayne USMC Retired NRA Life Member |
Posted By: Oldboy53
Date Posted: Mar 22 2023 at 2:53pm
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Thanks Dan and Wayne, my mistake. ------------- GSMC(SW),USN 2/77-11/89 |
Posted By: sling00
Date Posted: Mar 23 2023 at 1:45pm
| I did notice the other day 2 different stamps for CHARLOTTE TENT & AWNING CO. 1943. One has the name on two lines and the other is the name on one line. I may have very easily missed it, but is there a master list available to compare collections against? |
Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Mar 23 2023 at 3:21pm
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@sling00, Dan is working on a "master list". The list above that I posted is pretty much what is listed in WBIII. It does list the 2 different Charlotte Tent and Awning markings. Are you still on the hunt for a Lee pocket? I have been searching for one for you for going on two years. ------------- Wayne USMC Retired NRA Life Member |
Posted By: sling00
Date Posted: Mar 23 2023 at 5:36pm
| W5USMC, after a year I did come across one and a couple of months later I added another with some scribbling on it. I really appreciate you keeping an eye out for one. |
Posted By: Smokpole
Date Posted: Mar 25 2023 at 3:47pm
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Here is a new one for you. COGLIZER TENT & AWNING CO. 1943 Picked this one up at a show today. Print is somewhat faded so the spelling could be a little off, but I think that is correct, ------------- OGCA Life member NRA Life member Ashtabula Rod and Gun Life member |
Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Mar 25 2023 at 4:00pm
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Nice, can you post a picture Smokpole? Definitely one of the more elusive mag pockets. ------------- Wayne USMC Retired NRA Life Member |
Posted By: Smokpole
Date Posted: Mar 25 2023 at 5:14pm
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I can try, but it is pretty faint. BTW, BW III lists COGLIZER as being tan in color. This one is green, so apparently they made them in both colors. ------------- OGCA Life member NRA Life member Ashtabula Rod and Gun Life member |
Posted By: Smokpole
Date Posted: Mar 25 2023 at 5:25pm
 Trying...its been a while since I posted any pictures. ------------- OGCA Life member NRA Life member Ashtabula Rod and Gun Life member |
Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Mar 25 2023 at 9:26pm
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Yes, I saw it was listed in WBIII, must have missed that one when I made my list, added now to the list above.
------------- Wayne USMC Retired NRA Life Member |
Posted By: sling00
Date Posted: Mar 26 2023 at 6:56am
| I don't see KINGSLEY FASHIONS INC 1943 on the list above. |
Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Mar 26 2023 at 8:31am
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@ Slingo, the list above may not have items on page 2 of the post I have not had time to check against what Wayne posted yet, but here is a list that is a work in progress. Need to ratify the sort as the initials screw things up a bit. Rather then group it by type I decided to go with manufacturers names and columns for the types/year. Still need to check actual markings and variations. Please excuse any typos, but do bring them to my attention. Same with omissions or variations.
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Posted By: Smokpole
Date Posted: Mar 26 2023 at 8:49am
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Well, you can add 1943 type 2 to the Coglizer Tent and Awning line since I now have one in my possession. ------------- OGCA Life member NRA Life member Ashtabula Rod and Gun Life member |
Posted By: Matt_X
Date Posted: Mar 26 2023 at 9:37am
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Dan, L.T.D. British is probably a partial stamp. see the photos here https://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/361838-british-made-carbine-pouch/&do=findComment&comment=2870723 Also a photo of a clear stamp from here https://www.usarmydatadepot.com/74_p_143_60_pocket_magazine_double_web_6008.htm  Notice it just is stamped A.C. 1944 Although both places list it as A.C. Ltd. Not sure how you want to list - by stamp or by company name if known. More difficult I think is the narrow 4.25" wide pocket. My impression is the photos posted on US Militaria are to illustrate that the narrow pocket expands enough to hold the carbine magazines. ??? |
Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Mar 26 2023 at 11:08am
Jim, your Coglizer mag pocket that you pictured is a type 1. (type 2 pockets have the two belt straps on the back) ------------- Wayne USMC Retired NRA Life Member |
Posted By: sling00
Date Posted: Mar 26 2023 at 3:17pm
| The KINGSLEY FASHIONS Inc 1943 is Type I. Great job on the list! I need to take the time and compare against it. I know I need to find a COGLIZER and UNITED DEFENSE. |
Posted By: Smokpole
Date Posted: Mar 26 2023 at 6:46pm
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Ok, My mistake. But WB III lists only the tan color and mine is green. ------------- OGCA Life member NRA Life member Ashtabula Rod and Gun Life member |