My First Carbine
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Topic: My First Carbine
Posted By: Chuck70
Subject: My First Carbine
Date Posted: Jul 23 2018 at 5:45pm
------------- Charles Wilson
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Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Jul 23 2018 at 6:13pm
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------------- Wayne USMC Retired NRA Life Member
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Posted By: Chuck70
Date Posted: Jul 23 2018 at 6:17pm
Thank You for the info. I will give it a try. I have a IMac computer.
------------- Charles Wilson
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Posted By: Chuck70
Date Posted: Jul 23 2018 at 7:46pm
------------- Charles Wilson
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Posted By: Chuck70
Date Posted: Jul 23 2018 at 7:48pm
------------- Charles Wilson
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Posted By: Chuck70
Date Posted: Jul 23 2018 at 7:52pm
This is the Universal Carbine thats 50 years old only been shot 1 single time that my long time neighbor gave me. I just got it back to from my Gun Smith for a cleaning, oil, etc. It took me over two hours to try to figure out how to post pics on a IMAC computer. Im sorry I couldn't figure it out to get it all in one post but anyways, here it is. I have more pics but it was way to complicated for me just to get these up.
------------- Charles Wilson
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Posted By: James K
Date Posted: Jul 24 2018 at 12:09am
Chuck70: I run a Mac Mini which I like. No fan no noise. I gave up trying to figure out how to post pictures with a Mac. Will be seeing my cousin next weekend with my written notes from the forum and hopfully he will set me on the right path. He does wildlife photography as a working hobby. brantimages.com Very interesting stock you have. Is it made up of two different woods laminated? Birch top and walnut lower? James K.
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Posted By: Charles
Date Posted: Jul 24 2018 at 8:37am
It is a good looking stock but I suspect it is all walnut with a large portion of sapwood. The photo of the wrist area bares this out. Nothing to be ashamed off though.
------------- Charles Co B 1st Batl.115 Inf. Reg. 29th. Divi. 4.2 Heavy Mortar Co Retired Life member NRA
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Posted By: Chuck70
Date Posted: Aug 01 2018 at 7:32pm
------------- Charles Wilson
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Posted By: Chuck70
Date Posted: Aug 01 2018 at 7:40pm
I wish I knew how to get better close ups but I'm not use to a IMac computer.
------------- Charles Wilson
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Posted By: RClark9595
Date Posted: Aug 02 2018 at 8:29am
Interesting Universal, they are good guns in spite of what some people say.
I noticed that it has the late Universal design charging handle, can you turn it over and see if it has an aluminum trigger housing, or take a picture for us? If it has, then I suspect this gun originally came with a vented steel upper hand guard and that the one on it is a add on, that's why they look differently, Universal dropped the wood upper hand guard when they updated the action of the gun.
Just my 2 cents.
------------- Ron
USAF 4535 CCTS F4 Combat Crew Training Vietnam era Vet.
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Posted By: Charles
Date Posted: Aug 02 2018 at 9:04am
Charles, your missing half the fun of owing an M 1 carbine not cleaning and oiling it yourself. Just don't use a steel cleaning rod, only brass. Oil generously especially the lug aria but run some dry patches through the barrel before shooting. Have fun with it. Charles
------------- Charles Co B 1st Batl.115 Inf. Reg. 29th. Divi. 4.2 Heavy Mortar Co Retired Life member NRA
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Posted By: Chuck70
Date Posted: Aug 04 2018 at 5:47pm
Your absolutely Right. I would have enjoyed cleaning the M1 Carbine however even though it was fired only once 50 years ago. I wanted my gun smith to examine it to make sure it was safe to shoot since itwas put away for 50 years just to be safe. I followed my gut.
------------- Charles Wilson
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Posted By: Chuck70
Date Posted: Aug 09 2018 at 7:52pm
------------- Charles Wilson
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Posted By: Chuck70
Date Posted: Aug 09 2018 at 7:57pm
------------- Charles Wilson
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Posted By: RClark9595
Date Posted: Aug 10 2018 at 7:10am
Based on the rectangle shape of the trigger housing, the charging handle, and the serial number, I am quit sure that this gun originally came with a vented steel upper hand guard. Nothing wrong with the wood, takes a special wood upper for the Universal a USGI won't fit without being modified. Good to have, I've seen people looking for a wood upper for a Universal, they want to make their gun look more like the GI Carbine. I don't see any signs of wear in the magazine well or on the bolt, this gun appears to be almost like new, what did your gun smith say about it?
------------- Ron
USAF 4535 CCTS F4 Combat Crew Training Vietnam era Vet.
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Posted By: Chuck70
Date Posted: Aug 15 2018 at 9:36pm
As my neighbor stated, it was only fired once time in 50 years. It’s was suggested to everyone in poletown to get one Because of the riots in Detroit at the time, so after a test Fire, it was put away 50 years and never again touched or used. I do believe my life long neighbor who’s 89 now because he was a Physics guy at the Detroit arsenal and tank plant for 45 years and he Wasn’t a great guy at all and after 50 years he gifted it to me and I’m About 50 years old so he bought when I was born, lol.
------------- Charles Wilson
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Posted By: RClark9595
Date Posted: Aug 16 2018 at 11:10am
Chuck
You are very lucky, that gun should give you years of service if you take good care of it like any fine rifle. I bought my first Universal about 50 years ago at a Sears store, how things have changed. I'm now on my second Universal that I bought sight unseen unfortunately the previous owner didn't take good care of it and I had to almost re-build the whole gun, that was tough with parts hard to find these days. Now it's as good as new. Keep them clean and oiled and only use USGI magazines and they will last a long time and be mostly trouble free. If your interested and haven't found it already, here is the link on this site that gives great detailed information about Universals. If you haven't read it yet you should make it a priority, all Universal owners need to read this, you'll get information you can't get anywhere else.
http://www.m1carbinesinc.com/carbine_universal.html" rel="nofollow - www.m1carbinesinc.com/carbine_universal.html
------------- Ron
USAF 4535 CCTS F4 Combat Crew Training Vietnam era Vet.
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Posted By: Chuck70
Date Posted: Aug 17 2018 at 5:16pm
My Gun Smith asked was it ever used,lol.
------------- Charles Wilson
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Posted By: Chuck70
Date Posted: Aug 17 2018 at 5:17pm
ok. Thanks for the information.
------------- Charles Wilson
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Posted By: Chuck70
Date Posted: Aug 17 2018 at 5:21pm
Thanks Ron. Thats a lot of good information.
------------- Charles Wilson
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Posted By: Chuck70
Date Posted: Jan 26 2019 at 1:18pm
I had a hard time posting pics on a iMac. any easier way?
------------- Charles Wilson
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Posted By: Chuck70
Date Posted: Jan 26 2019 at 1:21pm
------------- Charles Wilson
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Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Jan 26 2019 at 2:30pm
Chuck, Is that box marked Colt? What marking on the 30 rounder?
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Posted By: Chuck70
Date Posted: Jan 26 2019 at 3:19pm
its marked JJ
------------- Charles Wilson
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Posted By: Chuck70
Date Posted: Jan 26 2019 at 3:20pm
The other two are marked, 01 B
------------- Charles Wilson
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Posted By: tenOCEE
Date Posted: Jan 26 2019 at 4:23pm
If your neighbor doesn't care, I'd sell that one and wait to find the first generation Universal even if you have to upgrade the barrel, because those are the ones to own. I'd do it while that one is in as good of shape as it will be. Because there is a weak point in those receivers. Check the pics. Doesn't look like much but that is the thin spot on the receiver and who knows when this will happen. Saw two in one weekend in the same show that had done this. The one I bought for $175 was in excellent condition.
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Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Jan 26 2019 at 4:59pm
Chuck70 wrote:
its marked J |
Chuck, did you get that 30 mag and that jay scott box from the neighbor that you got the carbine from? It is interesting that the magazine is marked J as it is my belief that Jay Scott mags were marked "jay scott".
------------- Wayne USMC Retired NRA Life Member
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Posted By: Chuck70
Date Posted: Jan 27 2019 at 8:25am
Yes I got that from my neighbor.
------------- Charles Wilson
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Posted By: Chuck70
Date Posted: Jan 27 2019 at 8:26am
I think the the 30 round was ordered separately but not sure though.
------------- Charles Wilson
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Posted By: RClark9595
Date Posted: Jan 27 2019 at 8:32am
TenOCEE I appreciate the photos of the receiver, but I am getting old and can not see the weak/thin spot you mentioned, in fact this is the first time I've heard of it. Is there any way you can point out the thin area in your pictures of the receivers. Jim points out in his articles that semi-automatic rifles are subject to more wear than conventional bolt action rifles. So would this be considered abnormal, or common, and is it associated only with the Universal?
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Posted By: tenOCEE
Date Posted: Jan 27 2019 at 9:17am
Yes, and let me reiterate that this Carbine shown was in excellent condition. Look at how little the finish is worn as proof. There's no wear from the bolt or slide like you normally see. The feed ramps have no discoloration wear through. Look at the left inside surfaces where the left bolt lug rides. Superb condition. No failure would be expected of a Carbine in this condition. And it failed the way Universal is known to. The same day I saw this one another one in identical condition with the same kaboom walked in the show within a couple hours. The owner said he bought it from his brother, and he fired 2 rounds through it but on the 3rd round it grenaded in his hands (and face). Fortunately he was wearing glasses.
Here's the cracked receiver again with some annotation and high lights. The weak spot is on the right side of the receiver where the slide cutout upper inside surface approaches the sloped top surface of the receiver that the bolt rides back and forth on. When you hear of a Universal kabooming it's frequently this with the bolt and slide breaking free and flying upwards or toward your face in general. No warning will be given.
One of the finest commercial receivers I've ever seen was a first generation Universal that even appeared Parked like a USGI model. I emailed Jim about it and discussed the barrel that a round was sticking in. He said they can still have an issue with the barrel over time and that this one was the product of two piece design sleeved into the rear section and the chamber was now fouled from this process. Instead of reaming the sl*g (forum has this word protected) migrating into the chamber Jim said to just replace it and have a nice commercial Carbine. In my layman's opinion the best commercial receivers are the first generation Universal, the Fulton forging and the Springfield forging. Everything has a life span. That one is shorter than the earliest Universal. Only get the earliest version.
If anybody wants this kaboom receiver below as a wall hanger buildup, you can have
it for $37 shipped. It has to be transferred of course since it's not
C&R and still complete and intact.
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Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Jan 27 2019 at 11:02am
W5USMC wrote:
Chuck70 wrote:
its marked J |
Chuck, did you get that 30 mag and that jay scott box from the neighbor that you got the carbine from? It is interesting that the magazine is marked J as it is my belief that Jay Scott mags were marked "jay scott". |
One of my research projects is the carbine mags, USGI and commercial. I have been trying to get decent examples to compare the construction and materials.
The J and J are B. Jahn Mfg which became Okay mfg (or industries?) the observations I have made are that they are not consistent with the Jay Scott and others. If Jay Scott brand made a J marked mag it would be easy to compare by the cut on the spine of the magazine and bolster on the side of the magazine at the bottom which is to hold the floor plate on.
"Jay Scott Clips" was marketed by Tony Scherer and had many different markings that mimicked USGI mags as well as some of their own such as "Made in USA" "Jay Scott" and "M2"
The clip vs magazine is a whole different discussion.
As to the question I asked about the box:
If anyone has different box pictures please let me know. Also, I am looking for a few of the mags to further project.
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Posted By: RClark9595
Date Posted: Jan 27 2019 at 11:33am
tenOCEE
So if I understand correctly, these weak spots can cause the gun to fire out of battery, is that right? That is the only way it can blow up in a persons face.
------------- Ron
USAF 4535 CCTS F4 Combat Crew Training Vietnam era Vet.
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Posted By: Why Carbines?
Date Posted: Jan 27 2019 at 11:48am
The J marked ones I have always thought were made by Jahn. I have one or two in my magazine ( Lol, NOT clip! ) collection. I have also had the opportunity to buy some of the Jay Scott ones over the years, but have passed due to lack of enthusiasm. Still, I may add one or two of them yet to my mag hoard, but I'm in the getting rid of stuff mode now not the acquiring mode. Btw, I love that old jay scott box, have never seen one before.
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Posted By: tenOCEE
Date Posted: Jan 27 2019 at 11:58am
The actual point of the pictures is to show the result, and that it's not rumor, and it's not due to condition. How often do two identical firearms walk in a show by 2 diff people with identical KB? I've owned about 10 different makes of commercial.
That weak part breaking is the result of out of battery most likely. The out of battery issue is what everyone sites and it's specifically valid, but people don't seem to understand because you see them continually openly suggest that it's not a risk or theirs must not be at risk because they've shot it repeatedly and it's one of their best shooters. Sometimes it sounds like mysticism to them I think.
The stellar condition of this particular Carbine which has almost NO wear still grenaded anyway. If you have a working one of these I suggest you get rid of it while it works and before you end up with at best 200 worth of remaining parts after it happens. The second one that walked in that show wasn't as nice but he said something hit him in the face when it blew up. Identical problem. Same era of gun.
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Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Jan 27 2019 at 12:08pm
New2brass wrote:
]The J and J are B. Jahn Mfg which became Okay mfg (or industries?) the observations I have made are that they are not consistent with the Jay Scott and others. If Jay Scott brand made a J marked mag it would be easy to compare by the cut on the spine of the magazine and bolster on the side of the magazine at the bottom which is to hold the floor plate on. |
Dan, what caught my eye on the magazine that Chuck posted the picture of is the angled base plate retaining lip (bolster?) which according to CCNL 332-3 was only found on the Seymore "hardbacks" and the Jahn and OKay "welded" 30 rounders.
------------- Wayne USMC Retired NRA Life Member
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Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Jan 27 2019 at 12:58pm
Like most things, the information was thought to be correct when published. The advantage of the club is updating information as it is found. WB3 shows J as only parkerized. we now know there are blued ones. The angled bolster was also seen on I think all hardbacks. Splitbacks AYP, Unmarked (USGI and reproduction) had the angled bolster. Here is the kink, There are possible reproductions of AYP, SEY, AI over M2, A.I. Some of these have been observed with the rectangular bolster.
Someone once asked why are you buying that obvious fake item. By having these items on hand I can photograph and present a visual for others to understand. So again, I am interested in any of those I do not have. Reproductions as well.
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Posted By: floydthecat
Date Posted: Jan 27 2019 at 3:01pm
GI furniture will mount on a Universal Gen-1. I have one of the early Gen-1's and the only thing Universal is the barrel and receiver. The wood and all internals are USGI.
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Posted By: tenOCEE
Date Posted: Jan 27 2019 at 5:08pm
Never expected I'd be, but I'm a fan of the earliest first gens.
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Posted By: RClark9595
Date Posted: Jan 27 2019 at 11:46pm
tenOCEE
This just floors me, I've never heard of this issue before now, I wonder for how many years has this been going on and nobody knew. Question now is, does this affect all Universals or just a few, can they be inspected for this thin area before it causes damage? A lot has to be wrong for a round to go off before fully chambered (out of battery), and if it does it'll cause a lot of damage and is extremely dangerous. What does Jim have to say, has he seen this before, if anyone has surely it would be him? Someone should have reported this long before now, a gun prone to going off out of battery would grab a lot of attention. Now I have to ask, what is so wrong with a gen two gun, other than it is not USGI, Universal never claimed it was, it's just a. shoot alike, look alike, that's a good lesser expensive alternative when USGI guns are expensive and hard to get.
------------- Ron
USAF 4535 CCTS F4 Combat Crew Training Vietnam era Vet.
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Posted By: tenOCEE
Date Posted: Jan 28 2019 at 9:10am
Posted By: floydthecat
Date Posted: Jan 28 2019 at 9:55am
I guess you’d need to see a slow-mo of one cracking under fire in that particular spot on the receiver, well to the rear of the bolt lug and buckled up about half-way down the rail.
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Posted By: sleeplessnashadow
Date Posted: Jan 28 2019 at 11:12am
Hey guys
tenOCEE ... a few questions ...
- I'm sorry but please remind me when we communicated about Universals. I get so much e-mail sometimes I can't keep track of who is who without a reminder
- Was the one you have shown in the pics with the damaged receiver the one you contact me about?
- It would also help to know the serial number. You can pm me with it if you don't wish to put it on the forum
- Was the receiver like this when you bought the carbine, or did it happen while you were firing it?
A little background....
One of the reasons I started working on the history of Universal and the carbines they made was all the info on the internet about how bad they were, how unsafe they were, etc. This made them a primary target for a good deal of my research efforts.
Part of the research was I searched the internet for stories, pictures etc of people who had experienced problems with a Universal. What I found was many people had heard or read about the issues somewhere other than first hand. The few I could locate that had experienced a problem none had taken it to a gunsmith to determine the cause, none no longer had the carbine (as to be expected), none had photos, and the list goes on. Not faulting anyone but getting to the source of the problem requires details.
Over time I've obtained info with details on about a dozen Universals that have had issues. Keeping in mind they made carbines from 1962 - 1984 with about 360,000 of them being the hybrid design that started at s/n 100,000. Also keep in mind there are certain things with the design of all semi-auto center-fire rifles, not just carbines, that can go wrong for a variety of reasons unrelated to who made the gun. Inevitably some people look at who made it and draw conclusions unrelated to finding out exactly what went wrong and why. So I look and ask for details.
Universal did have a run of poor decisions, changes and quality control 1969-1972 after a group of investors bought the controlling interest in Universal and started implementing changes focused on profit without regard to function and safety. A few months back I expanded one of the pages on Universal to include the issues 1969-1972.
Scroll down to Changes & Dark Days 1969-1972. Be sure to read all the way to the bottom. http://www.m1carbinesinc.com/carbine_universal2.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.m1carbinesinc.com/carbine_universal2.html
The investors were bought out and things were put back on track 1975-1984. One reason why I asked about the serial number. I don't have the exact serial number cut off of start and finish for the investment group. The restart in 1975 started with s/n 300,000 to separate the new ones from the prior ones. The lowest s/n I'm aware of that had problems is in the 165,000 range.
I've personally owned and/or examined and fired a number of Universals between s/n 107957 and 137120 without any issues. Many more with s/n's above 300,000. Having personally safety inspected each one before firing as I do with almost every carbine before firing. Even new commercial carbines and GI carbines. To include checking the headspace. A critical element for every center-fire semi-auto rifle that most people don't do or have done. If it hasn't been safety inspected and something goes wrong there is no standard by which to judge what was right or wrong in the first place.
Now, to the carbine in the photos that has the damage....
The bulge along the top of the track the slide moves back and forth on is something I've encountered before. But not specific to any one manufacture and not just with commercial carbines. There are a couple of things that can cause it.
Improper hardening of the receiver. Take a look at the receivers on the following two pages. By Ermas Manufacturing in Steelville, OH. They didn't harden their receivers.
http://www.m1carbinesinc.com/carbine_ermas2.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.m1carbinesinc.com/carbine_ermas2.html
http://www.m1carbinesinc.com/carbine_ermas.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.m1carbinesinc.com/carbine_ermas.html
Then take a look at the next page on the current commercial Inland Mfg carbines. Different issue and not as obvious as those by Eras, this issue was improper casting of the receiver that resulted in warped receivers. With the warping not consistently in the same spot.
http://www.m1carbinesinc.com/carbine_inland.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.m1carbinesinc.com/carbine_inland.html
The #1 cause for the bent slide track with other carbines, GI included, has been damage either building up over time or immediate from improper headspace, out of battery firing, or a number of other things related to a pressure build up in the chamber that overcame the locking bolt lugs and bulged the receiver to various degrees. Where the receiver bulges is where the notch that travels in the receiver slide channel was when the burst vented or the round went off. With too much headspace usually there is also damage to the receiver where the right and left bolt lugs sit locked but not always. Too little headspace can cause the out of battery firing as can a number of other things.
Longitudinal cracks along the top of the receiver are a rarity. Would like to see a couple close ups from different angles of what looks like a crack.
I'm gonna stop for now. One last thing. As you pull the slide handle to the rear note at what point the slide's left lug reaches the dismount notch on the left side of the barrel and where the slide's lug at the handle is while traveling backwards down the right side of the receiver. Sorry, tired. Been up all nite.
tenOCEE ... is the barrel still attached to that receiver?
Jim
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Posted By: tenOCEE
Date Posted: Jan 28 2019 at 1:16pm
Posted By: tenOCEE
Date Posted: Jan 28 2019 at 1:44pm
Posted By: RClark9595
Date Posted: Jan 28 2019 at 7:44pm
tenOCEE
For me to pass judgement on the crack and determine if it is safe to use or not, I'd need to have it X-rayed or at least magnafluxed to determine if it's just a surface crack or goes deeper. One other question, this second carbine that the owner said blew up and parts went flying, can I ask, what parts, if you looked at the gun at all, and the gun blew up as he said, surely you'd see the damage and what parts were missing. A blown up gun would show much more damage than just a bulge and a crack. Also found it strange he wouldn't sell to you, I wonder why he brought it to a gun show in the first place, a gun that blew up can't be worth very much. I'm sure Jim would be very interested in looking at it.
------------- Ron
USAF 4535 CCTS F4 Combat Crew Training Vietnam era Vet.
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Posted By: tenOCEE
Date Posted: Jan 28 2019 at 9:14pm
Then have yours tested and magnafluxed. You missed where I posted why he brought it. Are you saying I'm lying?
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Posted By: sleeplessnashadow
Date Posted: Jan 28 2019 at 10:04pm
tenOCEE
I don't think anyone is thinking you are lying. Just trying to get more details to help understand. To know where the damage was on the other would be helpful.
I've asked a couple people to have a look at your pics for their opinions. Their background is beyond mine. I'm not a gunsmith. Just have experience with a bunch of these but I'm not alone.
It would be helpful to have a couple more pics. One looking down on the right side of the receiver showing the upthrust in the slide track and the area that looks like a crack. With the receiver horizontal instead of from left or right. Also one looking up into the slide track where it bows upwards showing the area below what appears to be a crack.
I'm tempted to take you up on your offer of a sale. I'm hesitant only because of the time lag in this stupid State I live in that has a 10 day wait after it arrives and I can get to the FFL to do the paperwork. Different topic to avoid here as it detracts from the focus.
The info I have, which includes the tool and die guy at Universal 1979-1984, has indicated all of Universal's receivers were milled from forged steel. With the exception of 1969-1972 those investors tried cast receivers. I have yet to find a Universal receiver that was cast. The extra pics could help with this too.
One thing I'd do is have the receiver hardness checked in several places. To rule out or confirm if it's out of spec. I no longer have a hardness tester but several local metal shops will do it for less than $20 absent a report on the outcome.
If you can recall the damage the other one had besides the bowed slide track and what appeared to be a crack it may help too. If not, no biggee.
I appreciate you sharing this with us as I keep track of these and look for patterns within serial number blocks. One example isn't enough. But 3 examples is what prompted the addition of the 1969-1972 info and pics to the web page. It's the help from others willing to share that have made these web pages happen. We can accomplish more together than we can alone regardless of how much experience any one person has.
Thanks again ....
Jim
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Posted By: tenOCEE
Date Posted: Jan 28 2019 at 10:27pm
Posted By: Chuck70
Date Posted: Jan 29 2019 at 9:15am
My neighbor said that his brother ordered everything from the sears catalog. Does anyone have a sears catalog from 50 years ago?
------------- Charles Wilson
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Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Feb 03 2019 at 12:17pm
Another thread with questions on cracked bolts and receivers
http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/cracked-bolts-slides-and-receivers_topic3672.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/cracked-bolts-slides-and-receivers_topic3672.html
@Chuck, not what your looking for but some info and catalogs
http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/universal-teflon-coated-m1-carbine-in-6970-catlg_topic1220.html
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Posted By: Chuck70
Date Posted: Feb 07 2019 at 7:26am
Thanks @New2bras, I see my model listed at 116.95, thanks again.
------------- Charles Wilson
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