Carbine hunting anyone?
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Topic: Carbine hunting anyone?
Posted By: welbytwo
Subject: Carbine hunting anyone?
Date Posted: Jul 08 2018 at 10:51am
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I should say sleuthing! Check out 5 digit Inland for $4950 on Pre98 website. Then determine what is wrong. Then we will find out what kind of investigators you all are. If collecting one has to try some of simplest things today. Its obvious some people are not. And this is on both sides of the fence.
http://www.pre98.com/shop/our-newest-finds/very-early-inland-m1-carbine-sept-1942-mint-new-very-early-features-museum-grade/" rel="nofollow - https://www.pre98.com/shop/our-newest-finds/very-early-inland-m1-carbine-sept-1942-mint-new-very-early-features-museum-grade/
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Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Jul 08 2018 at 1:09pm
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Nice closeup of the Winchester safety and short faced mag catch on this Early Inland. ------------- JackP |
Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Jul 08 2018 at 1:23pm
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I'm still trying to find the carbine! Pre98 website?????? ------------- Wayne USMC Retired NRA Life Member |
Posted By: chipins
Date Posted: Jul 08 2018 at 1:38pm
| Better question is who buys guns from that web site. First time I have looked at the site in a few years , last time there were several humped K98's , all I needed to see to know it's not worth looking at. No surprise about the carbine. Reminds me of the carbine on Harry Viezens "fine guns" for the same asking price. Not exactly shoppers paradises if you ask me. |
Posted By: chipins
Date Posted: Jul 08 2018 at 1:40pm
| You aren't missing much. Just search pre98 his site will pop up. |
Posted By: m1a1fan
Date Posted: Jul 08 2018 at 5:34pm
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Hmmm...Interesting flip sight and sling well. Opportunities to learn are everywhere. Have a look at the IP and others listed out west. |
Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Jul 08 2018 at 6:42pm
Thanks. Never been to that site before and will probably not go there again. ------------- Wayne USMC Retired NRA Life Member |
chipins wrote:Posted By: welbytwo
Date Posted: Jul 09 2018 at 10:50am
| what is the dead giveaway that it is restored? Its very obvious. |
Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Jul 09 2018 at 1:13pm
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Is this the same one posted a few months back? If so there are pictures missing. You and I are up front and put two much stock in these old carbines. ------------- http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/club-assistance-saginaw-receivers_topic4716.html" rel="nofollow - Club Survey Saginaw Receivers |
Posted By: painter777
Date Posted: Jul 09 2018 at 4:06pm
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Hello MR, I have other concerns but will keep it short: I'd believe the 9-42 barrel date works for 50,004 Inland. I'm sure as you'd know lot of first run M1A1's in this serial range. But the color of the barrel, being what appears to be Dulite isn't any where close to the finish of the Receiver..which looks to be Phosphate, and would be expected much later. Flip sight just S marked on the base would be possible... If Real. Is it me or does the Dovetail tops look like they've been heated ? Possibly had stake marks filled ? Other than the overall barrel to receiver finish not matching, I question the small CC in the slingwell. I believe the small CC stamped in the slingwells stopped showing up around the 35,000 range... Give or take. Might be entertaining to see this one stripped down. Cheers, Charlie-Painter777 PS, When I seen the Topic Title: Carbine Hunting Anyone ? I thought this might have been about one of your Motor home excursions hog hunting !! ------------- Living Free because of those that serve..... |
Posted By: chipins
Date Posted: Jul 09 2018 at 5:56pm
| Looks like the stock may have had a type 2 or 3 barrel band on it at one time |
Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Jul 09 2018 at 7:26pm
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To me the stock looks messed with as well. Check out how much of the side of the TH is visible below the stock in the same image that shows the Winchester safety and the reworked, serrated mag catch. I think it has been sanded a bit. Dan, is your comment a clue? Too much stock? ------------- JackP |
Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Jul 09 2018 at 8:56pm
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Agree that it looks like a winch safety but I also do not believe that the sling swivel should be marked, I think UI marked swivels showed up a little later. ------------- Wayne USMC Retired NRA Life Member |
Posted By: painter777
Date Posted: Jul 09 2018 at 9:23pm
Agree Wayne, To early for a marked Swivel. Good Catch ! Charlie-Painter777 ------------- Living Free because of those that serve..... |
Posted By: m1a1fan
Date Posted: Jul 09 2018 at 10:38pm
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For those with access to a popular social media site, search recent posts and images. There one might find a similar example. What a pain in the rear. Things can be added to a stock or removed. In this case both. Anything look strange on the right rear of the stock near the I cut? |
Posted By: painter777
Date Posted: Jul 09 2018 at 11:05pm
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RIA September 10-2011 Fake CC Added and Fake CC removed. https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/53/1822/inland-m1-carbine" rel="nofollow - https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/53/1822/inland-m1-carbine Still say pictures in the Pre98 link show finish difference.
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Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Jul 09 2018 at 11:36pm
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I think it's a totally different stock. Wood grain doesn't match. Different scratches and dents. Still has a lot of other problems. ------------- JackP |
Posted By: welbytwo
Date Posted: Jul 09 2018 at 11:42pm
| grand slam! diff stock totally |
Posted By: welbytwo
Date Posted: Jul 09 2018 at 11:42pm
| and other repro parts |
Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Jul 10 2018 at 12:09am
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Do you think that Winchester safety is repro? I hope not. I got one just like it. ------------- JackP |
Posted By: painter777
Date Posted: Jul 10 2018 at 2:04pm
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Too bad Inland 50,004 has been messed with. Would have been a nice one to own when Original. JP, I have a couple early WRA's with the safety blued. I'm not sure if the one here is blued, in the white or parked. I hope your's is real. Good call on the replaced stock! CH-P777 ------------- Living Free because of those that serve..... |
Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Jul 10 2018 at 2:55pm
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Mine is blued too. It came on an early FAT QHMC from CMP. ------------- JackP |
Posted By: painter777
Date Posted: Jul 10 2018 at 3:12pm
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Good, Your all set... And makes me feel better about it. Shame these repro parts out there. Cheers, CH-P777 ------------- Living Free because of those that serve..... |
Posted By: m1a1fan
Date Posted: Jul 10 2018 at 9:26pm
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Early 5 digit Inland on GB for 6.6k. WTH? @Charlie - I used to turn up my nose at Inland as they are more "common". Finally realized the maker doesn't matter as long as it is original. So many fakes out there, I often wonder if learning how to spot them leads to finding an anomaly (re: original) or vice versa. Kinda tough to find an original carbine without knowing how to look. Only way is to have help I suppose. It's a fun game to play..."Spot what is wrong with a carbine". Always room to learn. |
Posted By: painter777
Date Posted: Jul 11 2018 at 12:43pm
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See a Inland 6,7 handstamp for $6,000.00 Fun game at times Drive you nuts at other times. Tis a Disease we have.... ------------- Living Free because of those that serve..... |
Posted By: m1a1fan
Date Posted: Jul 11 2018 at 9:52pm
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8k for an IP 5k for an early SP 4k for an early Inland Holy Snikey! |
Posted By: welbytwo
Date Posted: Jul 12 2018 at 10:25pm
| The problem with 8000 guns is that some newbie thinks a 7000 one is a bargain I never bought a $25 carbine from the nra. But have bought several with the $25bill of sale from the NRA. Paid over 1000 for some of them and was glad to get them. Some of them were the proverbial mixmaster ready to be made original. Some were orig as sin. Some probably made orig by previous owner. Roger pointed out the inflation factor on carbines. Hell, try to find a penny piece of bubble gum today. I did find a way to buy cokes for a dime though. Bought me one of them 10 cent coke machines. Can still buy for 10 cents from it. We ain’t going to talk about what it cost and what it costs to fill it but the 10 cent part still works. It still chills them! And I can still get a 10 cent coke! 50+years later. |
Posted By: painter777
Date Posted: Jul 12 2018 at 11:20pm
Repro coke machine ?  Hope Your Doing Well, CH-P777 ------------- Living Free because of those that serve..... |
Posted By: m1a1fan
Date Posted: Jul 13 2018 at 10:28pm
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Is there a value difference between a humped carbine or a corrected one with original parts? I guess the corrected one would be worth more though it probably depends on what was corrected. A carbine bought for twice its value worth almost nothing. Do not understand the mindset to purchase things without doing one's homework. Roger is spot on about about carbine inflation. As to what is going on with the carbine market lately, there must have been an influx of new collectors. That's a good thing. Say I have an original early Inland the book says is worth 2.5k If a humped one sells for 4 or 6k, does that make mine worth more than 6k? Charge what the traffic will bare I guess. |
Posted By: welbytwo
Date Posted: Jul 14 2018 at 1:20am
| 1961 vendo orig paint, never seen one nicer |