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Topic: IP stock marking mystery
Posted By: M1Seeker
Subject: IP stock marking mystery
Date Posted: Jun 27 2018 at 7:54pm
Hello, trying to source this green ink stock marking in bottom flat of lower stock.  Other markings point to IP SG.  One source said they seen similar for Overton stocks.







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Posted By: M1Seeker
Date Posted: Jun 27 2018 at 7:56pm
Could that be IP613 ?

Thanks


Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Jun 27 2018 at 9:03pm
M1Seeker, there is a post on this forum discussing the same markings, I can't seem to find it but it is on here somewhere. Hopefully someone will post the link to that thread.

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Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Jun 27 2018 at 9:05pm
Do an advanced search.
Keyword "Julian"
Where it says 6 months or... change to older
So
Julian
dates to search 6 months or older

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Posted By: M1Seeker
Date Posted: Jun 27 2018 at 9:48pm
Thanks I found the post but does not give any info or pics. 


Posted By: M1Seeker
Date Posted: Jun 27 2018 at 10:01pm
http://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=198509%20%20" rel="nofollow - http://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=198509%20

Found a match ya!


Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Jun 27 2018 at 10:04pm
M1seeker, seek and ye shall find.

http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/saginaw-sg_topic1359_page1.html?KW=Julian" rel="nofollow - http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/saginaw-sg_topic1359_page1.html?KW=Julian

There are few others.


What i see is 17643
What we believe that means is the 176th day of 1943.
Does the IP stock have a crossed cannons cartouche? Is it IP or S' G'

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Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Jun 27 2018 at 10:06pm
Here is one of the posts that I was trying to find.
http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/saginaw-sg_topic1359_page1.html?KW=julian" rel="nofollow - http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/saginaw-sg_topic1359_page1.html?KW=julian

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Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Jun 27 2018 at 10:13pm
http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/stock-markings-possible-julian-date-or-otherwise_topic2741_post13569.html?KW=Julian#13569" rel="nofollow - http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/stock-markings-possible-julian-date-or-otherwise_topic2741_post13569.html?KW=Julian#13569

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Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Jun 27 2018 at 10:18pm
http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/extremely-rare-orignal-late-original-sg-98_topic2593_post12302.html?KW=Julian#12302" rel="nofollow - http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/extremely-rare-orignal-late-original-sg-98_topic2593_post12302.html?KW=Julian#12302

This one has pics in first link

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Posted By: M1Seeker
Date Posted: Jun 27 2018 at 10:22pm
Originally posted by New2brass New2brass wrote:

M1seeker, seek and ye shall find.

http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/saginaw-sg_topic1359_page1.html?KW=Julian" rel="nofollow - http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/saginaw-sg_topic1359_page1.html?KW=Julian

There are few others.


What i see is 17643
What we believe that means is the 176th day of 1943.
Does the IP stock have a crossed cannons cartouche? Is it IP or S' G'

You guys are the best, tons of marks to view now thanks.

IR-IP in sling well 
S'G' crossed cannons on stock
Circle P on grip bottom  

I will add the pics now.


Posted By: M1Seeker
Date Posted: Jun 27 2018 at 10:26pm
pics


Posted By: M1Seeker
Date Posted: Jun 27 2018 at 10:27pm
1 more


Posted By: M1Seeker
Date Posted: Jun 27 2018 at 10:29pm
Sorry for many posts, new to this forum concepts.

IR-IP in sling well is faint and only make it out with some oil, does not show up in pics good at all.  But the stamping is there.

Thanks


Posted By: m1a1fan
Date Posted: Jun 28 2018 at 6:53pm
Is there a flaming bomb in the sling well? Sometimes hard to see or worn away. I cut or oval cut?


Posted By: Rcycles45
Date Posted: Jun 28 2018 at 6:57pm
Is this Stock oval or I-cut ?


Posted By: Why Carbines?
Date Posted: Jun 28 2018 at 7:18pm
It was a oval cut. I noticed on the Gunboards forum where he found the info he was looking for from a recent for sale ad on the CMP site. It showed a picture of an S'G' stock with the same type of ink stamp in the slide well.


Posted By: M1Seeker
Date Posted: Jun 28 2018 at 9:34pm
Yes it's oval and can't make out the flaming bomb.  I'll look again, what is normal location?  IR-IP is in proper top right of well flat.

Underwood barrel 2-43  #176XXXX

Also curious about the 3 M's on pistol grip, they are carved in looks like.

I can add more photos after I edit them smaller if wanted.

Thanks


Posted By: m1a1fan
Date Posted: Jun 28 2018 at 10:07pm
Here's another one for reference. Stock is different but some of it is simliar and it should show the location on the barrel bomb. However, CCNL 374 talks about oval cut stocks marked IR-IP with no flaming bomb.

http://uscarbinecal30.com/forum/featured-carbine-irwin-pedersen-1775265_topic2605.html" rel="nofollow - http://uscarbinecal30.com/forum/featured-carbine-irwin-pedersen-1775265_topic2605.html

The rear sight on yours is marked with an S on one side. How is the other side marked? Is the leaf marked?

Is the barrel band swivel marked?
Is the front sight marked?
How about the trigger?


Posted By: M1Seeker
Date Posted: Jun 28 2018 at 10:36pm
Ok I'm wondering now if the metals are refinished?  THe rolled stamping US CARBINE CAL. 30 M1 is ok but the E on CARBINE and 1 on M1 is very faint.  Barrel stamp is great and IP and ser# great.  Was this seen before?  The reciever color looks slightly different then recoil plate.

Barrel band is UP
Front sight marked 3
Rear site RP or PP ?
No trigger mark I can find but safety is IPW


Posted By: m1a1fan
Date Posted: Jun 28 2018 at 10:48pm
Hard to say if it is refinished without seeing more pictures of it.

Is the bolt marked? Does it have what appears to be a punch mark on it?
Is the handguard marked?

Rear sight marks?


Posted By: painter777
Date Posted: Jun 28 2018 at 10:57pm
Pretty common that most Recoil plates don't match the color of the receivers.
Usually the finish is applied by the parts maker..... 
And the difference in the metals hardness/final milling tend to take the finish different, thus the no matching color.


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Posted By: M1Seeker
Date Posted: Jun 28 2018 at 11:05pm
Maybe i'm just seeing things now lol.

What about the rolled receiver markings, did some not get stamped in properly?




Posted By: M1Seeker
Date Posted: Jun 28 2018 at 11:09pm
Originally posted by m1a1fan m1a1fan wrote:

Hard to say if it is refinished without seeing more pictures of it.

Is the bolt marked? Does it have what appears to be a punch mark on it?
Is the handguard marked?

Rear sight marks?

Only took the stock off where is bolt stamp?
Handguard marked IR-IP and matches lower stock.


Posted By: M1Seeker
Date Posted: Jun 28 2018 at 11:38pm
More pics I took.  Not the best, quick with daylight no flash.







Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Jun 29 2018 at 12:11am
The roll marks on carbines at ends sometimes were light, sometimes very deep.
You need to remove slide to see bolt markings. If you take slide off the you can take bolt out. Take pic of rear so we can see what type of firing pin.
Sometimes parts missed being marked, however an IP/SG' trigger is easy to figure with a few good pics.

You said this was from a museum? Any details?

Our northern brothers do find some nice carbines!

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Posted By: M1Seeker
Date Posted: Jun 29 2018 at 12:19am
I think at Gunboards or somewhere I mentioned Ont Canada, but the seller is from Vancouver area.  I will check emails and see if it's mentioned.

I have 1 week inspection period providing I don't do any damage to pins or screw heads so don't want to strip it down.

Ok found an email, all he said was a local Military Museum and he's in Vancouver area.  They had it last 20 years or so on display and then storage, so no pics on the net I would think.




Posted By: m1a1fan
Date Posted: Jun 29 2018 at 7:29am
Think I see the punch mark on the bolt.

http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/bolts.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/bolts.html

Being it is in Canada, any Canadian markings?


Posted By: M1Seeker
Date Posted: Jun 29 2018 at 12:46pm
No Canadian markings.  YEs bolt stamp

Thanks for all help on this, but just wondering if you see any problems?  Should it have I cut stock because of low ser #? 

 I can do more pics if needed.

THis much is confirmed.  

Stock is high wood and both are original IR-IP.  Markings look original.

Metals are a mix of IP and SG because of the switch to SG in 43.

Could this be a early low ser# that missed the war, stayed stateside and somehow made it to Canada?  Sounds weird but strange true data is uncovered all the time with war items.

I can strip it down unless it can be done with no damage or marks on the park finish as it's on a 7 day inspection period.  

Wayne




Posted By: M1Seeker
Date Posted: Jun 29 2018 at 1:18pm
pics





Posted By: M1Seeker
Date Posted: Jun 29 2018 at 2:05pm
It came out very easy no tools needed.  

Everything in heavy gun grease.

Slide is IP
Trigger housing IP
Hammer SG
Bolt is SG not corrosion but gun grease on SG stamp.  

This is as far as I'm going on strip down.








Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Jun 29 2018 at 3:00pm
Even though it is an early serial number it does not make it an early gun.
The short version-
No IPs were accepted by the government. Their contract was pulled and given to Saginaw.

The built carbines were stripped down and with the parts on hand were checked to see what can be put together and shipped out the door. Parts that failed may have been reworked.
 IP produced the 3 mill block simultaneously, so what is early
Generally we use barrel dates in the case of IP.
 The trend was early dates had more IP parts and later had more S'G' parts.

It is possible that the receiver needed some work and this delayed to the point of why there is a oval cut stock. DO not obsess with what it should have, In your case it is probably correct
I do not think there are enough carbines in Canada nor are the prices as high that there is the parts swapping and fake parts as here in the USA. Will let you comment to that.

I have to check but believe that a S'G' dogleg is not very common. 
I would expect the trigger , FP, safety, mag catch and small parts to be blued, but cannot make it out from pictures.

IP receivers usually have hardness marks as well as letters or numbers at right rear of receiver. What marks and how many punch marks.

Bottom front of receiver in front of TH mount there is usually a stamp. Please share what you see.

I am not well versed enough to say how carbines wound up in Canada other than lend lease program which we only know of 235 of them and maybe M2s
http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/carbinesnara.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/carbinesnara.html

I know the British proof marked firearms and Canada is on a list I saw of proof marks, However a Canadian gunsmith and club member here had told me he has not seen any proofs on a carbine.
It may be a time frame where this had stopped? Would love to know why and when.




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Posted By: painter777
Date Posted: Jun 29 2018 at 7:02pm
If OK ?
I'd like to add this link about IP's and markings/barrel dates found on them that Newscotlander had inquired about some years ago.
I see 1,77 IP's with 1 and 2 of 43 dated barrels (see link below)

It will give good insight to markings found on IP carbines.
It's a 5 page thread with plenty of good pictures and questions/theories about IP/S'G'/SG use and supply of receivers.
I believe it will be of great help to the OP and others with questions after the take over of IP:

https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=29367" rel="nofollow - https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=29367

HTH's
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Posted By: M1Seeker
Date Posted: Jun 29 2018 at 8:22pm
I am pretty confident by now this is an unmessed with very limited use all original early or mid run with mostly IP parts and some SG parts.  Nothing is shockingly wrong with it.  So with that I told the seller it's a done deal and I now own it.  When I get time I will clean the storage or factory grease off it and find more markings and strip it down further.  

This gun has missed the US combat wars and made it up to Canada, how don't know.  

Thanks for all help, you fellas helped me more here then anywhere and you take the M1 carbine history and collecting very seriously.

As far as parts being blued, you mean same color as the mag? Very few M1 carbines up here, so fakery is limited but who knows with one click of the mouse something from anywhere in the world is on the doorstep.

Buy the gun not the story true, but this makes sense somehow.  The seller is not a WW2 collector and he bought them years ago as an investment when the museum was clearing out storage items.  So on top of the years he has it plus the museum makes this around 25 years this has not been seen in the collector world.  I have the name of the museum but won't name it openly on the forum.  I don't want them contacted and bothered with requests to confirm any info etc.

IF a member here has access to a data base of serial #'s that might help track the history I can provide it in a PM.

Wayne 


Posted By: M1Seeker
Date Posted: Jun 29 2018 at 8:36pm
Originally posted by New2brass New2brass wrote:

Even though it is an early serial number it does not make it an early gun.
The short version-
No IPs were accepted by the government. Their contract was pulled and given to Saginaw.

The built carbines were stripped down and with the parts on hand were checked to see what can be put together and shipped out the door. Parts that failed may have been reworked.
 IP produced the 3 mill block simultaneously, so what is early
Generally we use barrel dates in the case of IP.
 The trend was early dates had more IP parts and later had more S'G' parts.

It is possible that the receiver needed some work and this delayed to the point of why there is a oval cut stock. DO not obsess with what it should have, In your case it is probably correct
I do not think there are enough carbines in Canada nor are the prices as high that there is the parts swapping and fake parts as here in the USA. Will let you comment to that.

I have to check but believe that a S'G' dogleg is not very common. 
I would expect the trigger , FP, safety, mag catch and small parts to be blued, but cannot make it out from pictures.

IP receivers usually have hardness marks as well as letters or numbers at right rear of receiver. What marks and how many punch marks.

Bottom front of receiver in front of TH mount there is usually a stamp. Please share what you see.

I am not well versed enough to say how carbines wound up in Canada other than lend lease program which we only know of 235 of them and maybe M2s
http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/carbinesnara.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/carbinesnara.html

I know the British proof marked firearms and Canada is on a list I saw of proof marks, However a Canadian gunsmith and club member here had told me he has not seen any proofs on a carbine.
It may be a time frame where this had stopped? Would love to know why and when.



Funny you told me just take the slide off and confirm slide and bolt parts and that would mostly determine if original.  Now I need to strip off all the grease and check for dozens of little stamps, marks, pings etc??  

Nothing is wrong with this so far do I really need to go further?  

ORiginal IP/SG stock and markings.
Original IP/SG stamped metals.
Proper Underwood 2/43 barrel.
Not refinished.
No fake parts.



Posted By: Why Carbines?
Date Posted: Jun 29 2018 at 8:46pm
Sounds like you have gone far enough. There's really not a ton of things to look for on these little rifles. Nice rifle, I know I'll never have one and that actually doesn't bother me at all since I enjoy looking at other collector's carbines.


Posted By: m1a1fan
Date Posted: Jun 29 2018 at 9:01pm
From what I've seen, all the tell tale signs on IP are there. Congrats on the purchase. While it iis odd that such an early serial number has a later barrel and an oval cut stock, it seems to be an anomaly and not a flaw.

Just me, but I would keep the grease on it.

Looks like a potential caniddate. Why not fill out a datasheet on it?


Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Jun 29 2018 at 9:08pm
I was merely pointing out what i would expect as original finish from factory. Further that the grease or lighting of pictures makes it that i cannot tell what the finish is of those parts.

Yes, to looking more like the magazine then rest of carbine, but could be a dull or shiney black.

As to the receiver marks, the IP guys love to compare the marks.
Mine has M2 on rear right and the "beerbelly" man on bottom, which I think is really a man playing a drum.

It's more for you to know the niche of your carbine, however I second the motion for a data sheet. This helps the club research especially if an original as well as helping record for your records what the carbine has.

I mentioned possible multiple punch marks near M2 as a correlation to receiver being reworked

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Posted By: M1Seeker
Date Posted: Jun 29 2018 at 9:30pm
Thanks I understand, the safety and the mag release are more shiney and different color shade.  Trigger looks same as parked.  The finish on the metals is not a real black black when compared to the Inland I have.  Just very slightly greenish black tint.  The slide and hammer is more black.

I will clean off more grease to find markings, doubt I will fire it though.  


Posted By: m1a1fan
Date Posted: Jun 29 2018 at 9:32pm
New2brass...that is so true. Nice IP’s don’t come around often and when they do IP fans like myself and others do turn up. Nothing like the matte black finish on an IP receiver. Dulite, correct?


Posted By: M1Seeker
Date Posted: Jun 29 2018 at 9:42pm
Glad you guys think it might pass the fakery messed with test so far.  Plus this data sheet, nice.  I'm more motivated now to clean it up and see more markings.  There for sure is no gun power residue and barrel is bright and shiney like as new.


Posted By: M1Seeker
Date Posted: Jun 29 2018 at 9:48pm
Originally posted by Why Carbines? Why Carbines? wrote:

Sounds like you have gone far enough. There's really not a ton of things to look for on these little rifles. Nice rifle, I know I'll never have one and that actually doesn't bother me at all since I enjoy looking at other collector's carbines.

Now that sounds sad.  Even up here with our restrictions I can own it and take it to the range.


Posted By: m1a1fan
Date Posted: Jun 29 2018 at 10:41pm
The M2 or M4 marking, if present, is found on the right rear rail. The following pic shows the area in the upper left corner. It can look like an I but is actually part of an M.

If there is a barrel bomb on the rail, it will be above the M2 or M4 marking. Mine was also dirty but could be seen without cleaning it and with some kind of magnification.



Posted By: M1Seeker
Date Posted: Jun 29 2018 at 10:51pm
There is part of a 2 on the rail in that area.

Bolt has a 2 on bottom.


Posted By: painter777
Date Posted: Jun 30 2018 at 12:06am

M2 stamp is what we believe a 2 piece stamp. Often seeing them not line up.
Have seen the M stamped upside down also.
Same with the bomb stamp on the right rear of the receiver, it can be found upside down.




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Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Jun 30 2018 at 1:49pm
http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/new2brass/media/IrwinPedersen/IMG_1293_zpsbcw9ueno.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">
 
Here is my man


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Posted By: M1Seeker
Date Posted: Jun 30 2018 at 2:11pm
More pics Flame bomb hand guard








Posted By: M1Seeker
Date Posted: Jun 30 2018 at 2:15pm
Originally posted by painter777 painter777 wrote:

If OK ?
I'd like to add this link about IP's and markings/barrel dates found on them that Newscotlander had inquired about some years ago.
I see 1,77 IP's with 1 and 2 of 43 dated barrels (see link below)

It will give good insight to markings found on IP carbines.
It's a 5 page thread with plenty of good pictures and questions/theories about IP/S'G'/SG use and supply of receivers.
I believe it will be of great help to the OP and others with questions after the take over of IP:

https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=29367" rel="nofollow - https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=29367

HTH's
Charlie-Painter777



Interesting, why no posts since 2012?
Thanks


Posted By: M1Seeker
Date Posted: Jun 30 2018 at 2:22pm
Just wondering about, the front barrel band UP, butt plate, oiler tube all show some corrosion compared to other metals that have none?

I think the sling/oiler were added later as they do not match condition wise to the rifle.
Thanks


Posted By: painter777
Date Posted: Jun 30 2018 at 2:23pm
Just a old link from another forum, that happened to have good info about IP's with pictures.

Add:
Slings can hold moisture, causing rust on swivels and oilers.
Buttplates can pull moisture from being stood on wet surface.


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Posted By: M1Seeker
Date Posted: Jun 30 2018 at 2:30pm
Originally posted by painter777 painter777 wrote:

Just a old link from another forum, that happened to have good info about IP's with pictures.

Add:
Slings can hold moisture, causing rust on swivels and oilers.
Buttplates can pull moisture from being stood on wet surface.

I see, is there a page on IP here?


Posted By: M1Seeker
Date Posted: Jun 30 2018 at 2:37pm
More pics sling well include flame bomb




Posted By: m1a1fan
Date Posted: Jun 30 2018 at 8:59pm
"House"


"'Pine Tree"


Posted By: M1Seeker
Date Posted: Jun 30 2018 at 9:05pm
Interesting, house, fat man, p tree all some kind of IP code?


Posted By: m1a1fan
Date Posted: Jun 30 2018 at 9:09pm
Have seen carbines with rust in exposed areas while on the inside they are pristine or close to it. Wondering if exposed areas touched by the user and not cleaned can also rust over time. Areas like the front of the trigger, rear section of the exposed barrel, slide handle, barrel band and butt plate.

Anyone know why two marks on rear of receiver? Proofed once by IP and then proofed again by S'G?


Posted By: painter777
Date Posted: Jun 30 2018 at 11:44pm
Originally posted by m1a1fan m1a1fan wrote:

Have seen carbines with rust in exposed areas while on the inside they are pristine or close to it. Wondering if exposed areas touched by the user and not cleaned can also rust over time. 

Yes They Will......
 
Here is a Inland brought to me for service that shows rust started where it had been handled and not wiped clean before storing. Other pictures I have of this one clearly show the Palm print. Keeping it wet with Hoppes #9 and light brushing with the Milled Grain Direction cleaned it up, see below:



After Cleaning:



Learned at about age 5, Wipe all metal before 'Properly Storing'

Happy 4th to all,

Charlie-Painter777


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Posted By: M1Seeker
Date Posted: Jul 02 2018 at 7:53pm
You must have seen my big fat grease print under the barrel!  Sure sure I'll clean it up.

Originally posted by m1a1fan m1a1fan wrote:

Have seen carbines with rust in exposed areas while on the inside they are pristine or close to it. Wondering if exposed areas touched by the user and not cleaned can also rust over time. Areas like the front of the trigger, rear section of the exposed barrel, slide handle, barrel band and butt plate.

Anyone know why two marks on rear of receiver? Proofed once by IP and then proofed again by S'G?


Posted By: m1a1fan
Date Posted: Jul 02 2018 at 10:31pm
The OP's receiver has a marking that doesn't look like one of the three marks (fat man, pine tree or house). Perhaps this is a new marking of one with which I am not familiar? Would like to see a close up picture of it.


Posted By: M1Seeker
Date Posted: Jul 03 2018 at 2:32am
IT looks like the fat man stamp shown by Dan.


Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Jul 04 2018 at 12:10am
I do not think it the same as the fat man. Very interesting indeed! what I see  looks like a circle with an arrow pointed up as the picture is orientated. I cannot make out what is below the circle, May be a second stamp.

Flipping through newsletters I found some interesting stuff. It seems that some early Inlands went to Canada possibly through the Lend Lease. 
It was asked if any proof marks were on Canadian owned carbines. What I did find was not proofs but Canada Property marks. Basically a broad head arrow in a C.

The marks were observed on the stock near CC and the hand guard as well as the left side of the front ring.
For those interested see CCNL 55, 381
For info on loaned, sold or traded carbines to Allied nations see CCNLs 61-1, 349-12, 358-21

So now this OPs IP may not have these marks, which means it may not have been Canadian property. So it may well have been a bring home. Very Interesting Indeed!


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Posted By: M1Seeker
Date Posted: Jul 04 2018 at 3:25am
Better pic, circle with arrow at top and 2 squiggly lines below, thought this was fat man?  My old Canon can't focus in any closer.  Very well could be a bring back, the darn Enfield was too large, so maybe a few of these came back.  Later donated by the widow?  When I get time I will contact the museum and try and get details.  

The history on how these WW2 carbines made it to Canada I don't have any idea.  The ones I have seen for sale [6] in last 2 months have no import marks at all.  

Thanks








Posted By: M1Seeker
Date Posted: Jul 04 2018 at 3:46pm
HAppy 4th July to all!!!!  

Also Happy to have America at our border.


Posted By: M1Seeker
Date Posted: Jul 06 2018 at 11:15pm
Any ideas on stamp mark?


Posted By: m1a1fan
Date Posted: Jul 07 2018 at 6:39am
That is a different mark for sure. The top section does look simliar to the "pine tree" mark shown on other IP receivers. Perhaps that was one of the first marks used? Dunno.

Great, clear pictures BTW.


Posted By: M1Seeker
Date Posted: Jul 10 2018 at 4:19am
The M1 books and bulletins don't show this mark?


Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Jul 10 2018 at 12:20pm
Here is what I am seeing between the two angles.


It is possible that it was two stamps that are on top of each other.
It is possible that it was reported, but early on we relied on descriptions. How would this be described?
Circle and arrow is (or was) the symbol for male.  It may be a partial mark. the rest??????


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Posted By: m1a1fan
Date Posted: Jul 10 2018 at 9:17pm
Looks like Hitchcock or an alien.

Based on the OP's S/N this might be the earliest mark used?

New2 has hit on something I've never noticed. I haven't seen many, but so far all ordinance bombs stamped on the flat appear to be in the white. Can the OP confirm. Other members please check and report.


Posted By: M1Seeker
Date Posted: Jul 10 2018 at 10:06pm
Close to drawing but has 2 separate squiggly legs.  Does not appear to be a double stamp.

Yes flame bomb in white, check my photo with grease print.


Posted By: M1Seeker
Date Posted: Jul 10 2018 at 10:13pm
Really like CCNL #374 with the IP info.  Learned things that I couldn't find on the net.  Such as there is a Navy Vet bring back IP with 1.76 with an oval cut stock.  And that the 5 digit ink stamp was blue maybe turned greenish with age?  Was common for IP/SG stocks.
Thanks



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