hand guard with metal insert SR
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Topic: hand guard with metal insert SR
Posted By: sfal7418
Subject: hand guard with metal insert SR
Date Posted: Oct 31 2016 at 7:07pm
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will post a pic soon....have a Winchester stamped along with Ord bomb...handguard....it is strange in the fact that it has a small metal piece inletted into the underside....towards the front where you see them slotted for a M3........but it doesn't go thru the wood...(cant see it from the top)....a stiffener perhaps?... Thanks for any help/input Al
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Posted By: sfal7418
Date Posted: Oct 31 2016 at 7:07pm
| forgot it is a 2 rivet |
Posted By: sfal7418
Date Posted: Nov 02 2016 at 3:35pm
| my bad....4 rivet |
Posted By: floydthecat
Date Posted: Nov 02 2016 at 6:41pm
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For the short time that I have been participating here on the forum and the lengthy amount of time that preceded that doing research, I have come to learn that about anything is possible and there is always an anomaly out there someplace. Some one could have added that support I suppose, or it may turn out that a participant has another answer or suggestion. I have seen examples of more than a couple with split stocks and hand guards. I have myself considered lining the interior of a hand guard with fiberglass reinforcement, especially if it's not collectable, rare or has a makers-mark. I think the best answer (in terms of a shooter) is to obtain an M2 pot belly and a late hand guard. They are much, much stronger. |
Posted By: Charles
Date Posted: Nov 04 2016 at 7:00pm
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Rather than fiber glass, may I sugest a product made by Minwax. It's called " High Performance Wood Hardener" ------------- Charles Co B 1st Batl.115 Inf. Reg. 29th. Divi. 4.2 Heavy Mortar Co Retired Life member NRA |
Posted By: sfal7418
Date Posted: Nov 05 2016 at 6:25am
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i understand the fiberglass and other ways to reinforce the handguard.....my thoughts were that this was done at the factory. ...as the job is very "clean" and old.....was wondering if anyone else has seen one of these before Thanks Al
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Posted By: floydthecat
Date Posted: Nov 05 2016 at 8:07am
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The arsenal personnel sure knew what they were doing when it came to stock repairs. I'm sure most everybody here has seen some of the fixes on hand guards and stocks and it's just hard to believe some of the patches they applied. That's back when quality really meant something. |
Posted By: sfal7418
Date Posted: Nov 05 2016 at 2:10pm
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Thanks for all the input..... but this handguard hasn't been repaired....I was thinking it was made this way Thanks Al
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Posted By: Lupus Dei
Date Posted: Nov 05 2016 at 6:59pm
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Pictures? ------------- Louis Dey Admin www.uscarbinecal30.com/forums |
Posted By: Charles
Date Posted: Nov 05 2016 at 7:51pm
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If it looks as though a nail was driven in and excess was ground off, it could be a threaded dowel to repair a crack. This has been common practice in furniture and gun stock repair. A small hole is drilled and then a slightly larger threaded dowel is scrude in by means of an electric drill. Without a picture, I am only guessing. ------------- Charles Co B 1st Batl.115 Inf. Reg. 29th. Divi. 4.2 Heavy Mortar Co Retired Life member NRA |
Posted By: sfal7418
Date Posted: Nov 06 2016 at 6:35am
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Posted By: sfal7418
Date Posted: Nov 06 2016 at 6:41am
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Posted By: sfal7418
Date Posted: Nov 06 2016 at 6:42am
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some pics sorry about the duplicate..... Thanks again Al
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Posted By: Charles
Date Posted: Nov 06 2016 at 8:29am
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That one pic. that looks like a mini horse shoe with two tiny holes at the ends of the metal, looks like a tiny staple. Could you take a really close up picture of it pleas. Also, if it is a staple, it is holding two pieces together. look for a seam nearby. ------------- Charles Co B 1st Batl.115 Inf. Reg. 29th. Divi. 4.2 Heavy Mortar Co Retired Life member NRA |
Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Nov 06 2016 at 9:11am
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Very interesting. Clearly looks like it was being cut for a M3 carbine. Though there is a W on it the letter next to ord bomb is a M. Pic of top please to see profile. |
Posted By: sfal7418
Date Posted: Nov 06 2016 at 9:29am
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will post some more pics when I return home.....yes it is a M....for (modified?)....not sure....love the story 1 part can tell.....or make you think about Al
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Posted By: sfal7418
Date Posted: Nov 09 2016 at 2:25pm
  
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Posted By: sfal7418
Date Posted: Nov 09 2016 at 2:26pm
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Thanks for any input /help Al
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Posted By: Charles
Date Posted: Nov 09 2016 at 3:08pm
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Sorry, I thought you wanted to discover what the metal was about, we seemed to have been side tracked. ------------- Charles Co B 1st Batl.115 Inf. Reg. 29th. Divi. 4.2 Heavy Mortar Co Retired Life member NRA |
Posted By: sfal7418
Date Posted: Nov 09 2016 at 3:15pm
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Charles, I am trying to learn about the metal insert......not sure what it is you saw....I don't see any staples in it.....which pic....the 2 half circles opposite the ord bomb are impressions Thanks Al
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Posted By: Charles
Date Posted: Nov 09 2016 at 3:22pm
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The bottom portion of the first pic. and the top portion of the second pic. ------------- Charles Co B 1st Batl.115 Inf. Reg. 29th. Divi. 4.2 Heavy Mortar Co Retired Life member NRA |
Posted By: Charles
Date Posted: Nov 09 2016 at 3:33pm
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Are you referring to the 4 rivet hold down piece of metal? ------------- Charles Co B 1st Batl.115 Inf. Reg. 29th. Divi. 4.2 Heavy Mortar Co Retired Life member NRA |
Posted By: sfal7418
Date Posted: Nov 09 2016 at 3:39pm
 not the 4 rivet.....the metal insert towards the front.....here is a pic of what appears to be a "M" stamped....if this is what you were referring to....Thanks Al |
Posted By: Charles
Date Posted: Nov 09 2016 at 3:57pm
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If you could take a really sharp photo and circle the piece of metal with a grease pencil. ------------- Charles Co B 1st Batl.115 Inf. Reg. 29th. Divi. 4.2 Heavy Mortar Co Retired Life member NRA |
Posted By: sfal7418
Date Posted: Nov 09 2016 at 4:03pm
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you can clearly see it in the pics I posted today...it's just under 1 1/2" long and just under 1/2" wide inlayed in cut out Thanks Al
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Posted By: sfal7418
Date Posted: Nov 09 2016 at 4:13pm
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Charles.....you got me thinking.....and I will be damned.......I put a magnet on it and it doesn't stick...as it does of course stick to the 4 rivet tab.....now iam not sure what its made of.....plastic?.....looks like phosphate coated metal.....it is glued in that cutout....and the hand guard is not split..... Thanks Al
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Posted By: Charles
Date Posted: Nov 09 2016 at 4:15pm
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Are you talking about that curved piece of metal held in place with four rivets sticking slighty beyond the end of the hand guard? ------------- Charles Co B 1st Batl.115 Inf. Reg. 29th. Divi. 4.2 Heavy Mortar Co Retired Life member NRA |
Posted By: sfal7418
Date Posted: Nov 09 2016 at 4:17pm
| no the other end |
Posted By: Charles
Date Posted: Nov 09 2016 at 4:53pm
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That piece of metal with four rivets holding it to the hand guard inserts into a slot at the breech. ------------- Charles Co B 1st Batl.115 Inf. Reg. 29th. Divi. 4.2 Heavy Mortar Co Retired Life member NRA |
Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Dec 09 2018 at 8:25pm
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Al, Sometimes answers get found out if you wait, Though not a decisive answer we can say your handguard was not a one-off fix. I was at a gun show and a seller had about a hundred similar handguards that look just like yours. All had 4 rivets. Almost all had the ordnance bomb which was probably to accept the veneered section. he back looked to be cardboard but the top was a wood grain. Many marks such as U, M , SJ , W, P1, OI, PU. Some had numbers as well as letters. Here is the thing, we know some handguards were updated to 4 rivets from 2, however you can usually see the cutout where the old cut was and new cut started. Further, some marks looked legitimate and others suspicious like the PU and SJ. Then there is the mystery of the M. Many of the cuts for the barrel bar that mounts the sniperscopes were crudely cut. I am thinking these were made up overseas.  ------------- http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/club-assistance-saginaw-receivers_topic4716.html" rel="nofollow - Club Survey Saginaw Receivers |
Posted By: sfal7418
Date Posted: Dec 28 2018 at 8:41am
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Wow thanks for the info....love the history Al |