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PingCMP ![]() Recruit ![]() ![]() Joined: Feb 17 2016 Location: Maine Status: Offline Points: 52 |
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The extractor in my S.G. is marked W-B, that was likely from the transfer of the 64,000 from IBM to Saginaw that was mentioned on page 200. The extractor in my S'G' is marked W S'G', which, per WB page 428 was sourced from Wadsworth Watch Case Company of Dayton, Kentucky. The IN marked safety in my S'G' was likely from the transfer of safeties to Grand Rapids from IBM. Edited by PingCMP - Jan 13 2022 at 12:59pm |
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New2brass ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Dan Pinto, Photo Editor Joined: Nov 29 2015 Location: CT Status: Offline Points: 4410 |
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The one that got away from Ron Dalhamer. One of Inland's first products, a Steering wheel ![]() |
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ncin1911 ![]() On Point ![]() ![]() Joined: Dec 13 2018 Location: Hoosier State Status: Offline Points: 430 |
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or maybe we are talking about Grand Rapids not Saginaw? Then I-S'G' ?
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New2brass ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Dan Pinto, Photo Editor Joined: Nov 29 2015 Location: CT Status: Offline Points: 4410 |
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There is a little more to it. Rochester was making safeties and extractors before making carbines, extractors were marked IB, IN, IQ. Safeties marked IN Safeties for IBM carbines were marked EMB, W-B, EPB and extractors IB, IN, WB, W-B. War Baby page 200 shows that an emergency delivery of safeties were sent from Rochester to Poughkeepsie, These were marked IN Would the extractors supplied by Rochester to Grand Rapids (from page 200) be marked W-B? If not how would the be marked? *note* clarification added in last sentence. You must be a registered member and post a reply in this topic to view the hidden content within this post! Edited by New2brass - Jan 06 2022 at 7:55pm |
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PingCMP ![]() Recruit ![]() ![]() Joined: Feb 17 2016 Location: Maine Status: Offline Points: 52 |
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Yes, IBM stepped up to making extractors when Ordnance transitioned to the type 3. The transfer of extractors to Saginaw and safeties to Grand Rapids mentioned on page 200 explains why my S.G. has that W-B extractor and my S'G' an IN marked, type 3 safety. Some times we have to put 2+2 together to get our answers
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New2brass ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Dan Pinto, Photo Editor Joined: Nov 29 2015 Location: CT Status: Offline Points: 4410 |
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Ping, excellent question! Look at War Baby page 476 and let me know what you come up with
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PingCMP ![]() Recruit ![]() ![]() Joined: Feb 17 2016 Location: Maine Status: Offline Points: 52 |
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Per War Baby!, IBM's Electric Writing Machine Division also
made M1 Carbine safeties (IN marked) for NPM as well as a transfer to
S'G' on page 200. Page 429 refers to S'G' use of type 3 safeties provided by IBM's Electro-matic Typewriters Division, undoubtedly synonymous with the former. This might be a better question for a new thread, but I can't help but wonder why IBM subcontracted the
safeties they used in their own carbines from Eaton Pond Co. in
Springfield, Mass. instead of using their own? |
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Matt_X ![]() Grunt ![]() ![]() Joined: Nov 10 2020 Location: Phila, Penn Status: Offline Points: 705 |
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Thanks! And here's a nice chronology of Stanley logos, trademarks and promotionals.
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Matt_X ![]() Grunt ![]() ![]() Joined: Nov 10 2020 Location: Phila, Penn Status: Offline Points: 705 |
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We could fill pages with this company's products! I chose this hammer because the handle is stamped WPA; and the logo stamped on the head was used starting in 1935. Stanley also made military items during WW2 for weapons other than just the carbines. One that seems to be fairly common is a small combination screwdriver-punch for the 1911 and 1911A1 pistols. There's a summary of contracts for this tool at USmilitaria forum: https://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/227753-1911a1-takedown-tool/&do=findComment&comment=1807315 The ones Stanley made during WW2 were stamped with their trademark. ![]() In a 2019 article, Walter Jacob states these were made by the Stanley’s tool division. He also brings to attention cleaning rods for the pistol stamped SW 1. He believes these were probably made by Stanley Works hardware division. Both divisions, along with Stanley’s American Tubes Stamping Company got "E" awards in 1943. Stanley Works of the 1940s was the product of a
merger between two companies owned by separate branches of the same
family. Stanley Rule and Level Company made tools, and Stanley Works
made hardware such as hinges, sash locks, etc. In 1920 they joined into
one company, two divisions. At that time, they came up with a new trade mark incorporating the hardware company’s S.W. in a heart, and a rectangular outline with Stanley in it. ![]() Perhaps the rectangular outline came from the shape previously used in the tool company’s
literature. ![]() In 1935 the logo was simplified to the one seen on the hammer and pistol take-down tool. That said, it seems reasonable that they
might have marked items some government only items such as the carbine
magazines and pistol cleaning rods with SW. ref: Walter W. Jacobs "Stanley C64149 Combination Take-down Tool for the 1911 Colt .45 Pistol" The Chronicle of the Early American Industries Association. 72:2 June 2019. pages 82-83
Walter W. Jacobs "The Man Who Turned Stanley Works Around: The Story of William H. Hart" The Chronicle of the Early American Industries Association. 58:4 December 2015. pages 162-68 Stanley Tools, Catalog no. 34 [1949] https://archive.org/details/StanleyToolsCatalogNo.34/mode/2up Edited by New2brass - Dec 30 2021 at 9:27am |
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Matt_X ![]() Grunt ![]() ![]() Joined: Nov 10 2020 Location: Phila, Penn Status: Offline Points: 705 |
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USMilitaria has a Helmet sub-forum Here's one with a liner described as Inland finished by Firestone and the photo has a the two logos overstamped. In this one a person says Firestone would reweb old Inlands But this one here says Firestone took molds as part of taking over the manufacturing. |
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New2brass ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Dan Pinto, Photo Editor Joined: Nov 29 2015 Location: CT Status: Offline Points: 4410 |
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WOW! I wonder if lateral support? I am sure there is a helmet forum out there, if so I wonder if they ever heard of that one? I know GE and a few of its subsidiaries made liners. And I learned that while researching carbine related items.
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SSNPingjockey ![]() On Point ![]() ![]() Joined: Mar 07 2020 Location: NC Status: Offline Points: 225 |
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I know this isn’t a helmet forum, but thought this was interesting. A Firestone-Inland?
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New2brass ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Dan Pinto, Photo Editor Joined: Nov 29 2015 Location: CT Status: Offline Points: 4410 |
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Every show I go to I look through the helmet liners in hopes of finding an Inland for my helmet shell Ha! Spring chest, that is a good one. Wayne, You got a Commercial Controls too! ![]() I was going to post it when the "city postal code" when Matt brought it up Notice the Rochester 2 |
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Postal Stamper
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Wayne
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+Raymond Mfg. Co. - Corry Pa. Pin, Trigger Housing Retaining Standard Products (+) denotes added during the program.
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All very cool! I did not know, either, that Inland made helmets.
That, to me, is one of the great draws to carbines and carbine collecting. The carbine is one of greatest examples of the collective war effort by such a variety of companies during WWII. I hope that we would never need it, but I don’t think the effort put forth by industry during WWII could ever again be duplicated. Just amazing. Thanks for sharing.
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This is probably not news to most of you, but I've recently started a foray into M1 helmets and was surprised to discover Inland manafactured helmet liners. ![]() ![]() |
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Nothing directly that I know of. I just was looking for an example of a city postal district from the 1940s. edit. It did cross my mind that they almost certainly supplied the equipment and gas for welding the wire stocks. Probably also for those items that were brazed. Doing a little web searching, the Royal typewriter shown in my previous post is a Model 10, third variation, probably built in 1927. My dad picked that one up after the war, probably in the 1950s or 60s. He never liked the electric ones when they came along. He punched those keys! While we're on the Typewriter-Carbine theme, I use to own an early IBM electric typewriter found in the town dump. It didn't take much to get working. Probably was a model B. Another kid in High School had a couple of them. Funny the things we thought were interesting! ![]() from here https://typewriterdatabase.com/1958-ibm-model-b.4340.typewriter
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City codes/postal district codes started in 1943 to break up larger cities. The Zone Improvement Plan (Zip Code) was in the early 60s You got me on Linde/Union Carbide, what did they make for the carbine?
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