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Originally posted by New2brass New2brass wrote:

There is a little more to it.
Rochester was making safeties and extractors before making carbines, extractors were marked IB, IN, IQ. Safeties marked IN

Safeties for IBM carbines were marked EMB, W-B, EPB and extractors IB, IN, WB, W-B.
War Baby page 200 shows that an emergency delivery of safeties were sent from Rochester to Poughkeepsie, These were marked IN

Would the extractors supplied by Rochester to Grand Rapids (from page 200) be marked W-B?
If not how would the be marked?

*note* clarification added in last sentence.


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The extractor in my S.G. is marked W-B, that was likely from the transfer of the 64,000 from IBM to Saginaw that was mentioned on page 200. The extractor in my S'G' is marked W S'G', which, per WB page 428 was sourced from Wadsworth Watch Case Company of Dayton, Kentucky. The IN marked safety in my S'G' was likely from the transfer of safeties to Grand Rapids from IBM.




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The one that got away from Ron Dalhamer.
One of Inland's first products, a Steering wheel

http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/uploads/2396/SteeringWheel.jpg


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unmarked

or maybe we are talking about Grand Rapids not Saginaw? Then  I-S'G' ?
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There is a little more to it.
Rochester was making safeties and extractors before making carbines, extractors were marked IB, IN, IQ. Safeties marked IN

Safeties for IBM carbines were marked EMB, W-B, EPB and extractors IB, IN, WB, W-B.
War Baby page 200 shows that an emergency delivery of safeties were sent from Rochester to Poughkeepsie, These were marked IN

Would the extractors supplied by Rochester to Grand Rapids (from page 200) be marked W-B?
If not how would the be marked?

*note* clarification added in last sentence.


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Originally posted by New2brass New2brass wrote:

Originally posted by PingCMP PingCMP wrote:


Per War Baby!, IBM's Electric Writing Machine Division also made M1 Carbine safeties (IN marked) for NPM as well as a transfer to S'G' on page 200. Page 429 refers to S'G' use of type 3 safeties provided by IBM's Electro-matic Typewriters Division, undoubtedly synonymous with the former.

This might be a better question for a new thread, but I can't help but wonder why IBM subcontracted the safeties they used in their own carbines from Eaton Pond Co. in Springfield, Mass. instead of using their own? 


Ping, excellent question!
Look at War Baby page 476 and let me know what you come up with


Yes, IBM stepped up to making extractors when Ordnance transitioned to the type 3. The transfer of extractors to Saginaw and safeties to Grand Rapids mentioned on page 200 explains why my S.G. has that W-B extractor and my S'G' an IN marked, type 3 safety. Some times we have to put 2+2 together to get our answers Smile
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Originally posted by PingCMP PingCMP wrote:


Per War Baby!, IBM's Electric Writing Machine Division also made M1 Carbine safeties (IN marked) for NPM as well as a transfer to S'G' on page 200. Page 429 refers to S'G' use of type 3 safeties provided by IBM's Electro-matic Typewriters Division, undoubtedly synonymous with the former.

This might be a better question for a new thread, but I can't help but wonder why IBM subcontracted the safeties they used in their own carbines from Eaton Pond Co. in Springfield, Mass. instead of using their own? 


Ping, excellent question!
Look at War Baby page 476 and let me know what you come up with
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Originally posted by Matt_X Matt_X wrote:

While we're on the Typewriter-Carbine theme, I use to own an early IBM electric typewriter found in the town dump.  It didn't take much to get working.  Probably was a model B.  Another kid in High School had a couple of them.  Funny the things we thought were interesting! 



Per War Baby!, IBM's Electric Writing Machine Division also made M1 Carbine safeties (IN marked) for NPM as well as a transfer to S'G' on page 200. Page 429 refers to S'G' use of type 3 safeties provided by IBM's Electro-matic Typewriters Division, undoubtedly synonymous with the former.

This might be a better question for a new thread, but I can't help but wonder why IBM subcontracted the safeties they used in their own carbines from Eaton Pond Co. in Springfield, Mass. instead of using their own? 
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Thanks!
And here's a nice chronology of Stanley logos, trademarks and promotionals.
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Originally posted by Matt_X Matt_X wrote:


That said, it seems reasonable that they might have marked items some government only items such as the carbine magazines and pistol cleaning rods with SW.



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http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/sw-magazines-not-winchester-spotters-report_topic3984.html
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We could fill pages with this company's products! 
I chose this hammer because the handle is stamped WPA; and the logo stamped on the head was used starting in 1935.


Stanley also made military items during WW2 for weapons other than just the carbines.
One that seems to be fairly common is a small combination screwdriver-punch for the 1911 and 1911A1 pistols.  


There's a summary of contracts for this tool at USmilitaria forum: https://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/227753-1911a1-takedown-tool/&do=findComment&comment=1807315
 
The ones Stanley made during WW2 were stamped with their trademark.



In a 2019 article, Walter Jacob states these were made by the Stanley’s tool division.  
He also brings to attention cleaning rods for the pistol stamped SW 1. 
He believes these were probably made by Stanley Works hardware division.
Both divisions, along with Stanley’s American Tubes Stamping Company got "E" awards in 1943.  

Stanley Works of the 1940s was the product of a merger between two companies owned by separate branches of the same family.  Stanley Rule and Level Company made tools, and Stanley Works made hardware such as hinges, sash locks, etc.  In 1920 they joined into one company, two divisions.

At that time, they came up with a new trade mark incorporating the hardware company’s S.W. in a heart, and a rectangular outline with Stanley in it.
1920-1934

Perhaps the rectangular outline came from the shape previously used in the tool company’s literature.
example from a 1914 Stanley Rule & Level Co. Catalog

In 1935 the logo was simplified to the one seen on the hammer and pistol take-down tool.

That said, it seems reasonable that they might have marked items some government only items such as the carbine magazines and pistol cleaning rods with SW.

ref:
Walter W. Jacobs "Stanley C64149 Combination Take-down Tool for the 1911 Colt .45 Pistol" The Chronicle of the Early American Industries Association.  72:2  June 2019. pages 82-83

Walter W. Jacobs "The Man Who Turned Stanley Works Around: The Story of William H. Hart" The Chronicle of the Early American Industries Association.  58:4  December 2015. pages 162-68

Stanley Tools, Catalog no. 34  [1949] 
https://archive.org/details/StanleyToolsCatalogNo.34/mode/2up



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USMilitaria has a Helmet sub-forum

Here's one with a liner described as Inland finished by Firestone and the photo has a the two logos overstamped.

In this one a person says Firestone would reweb old Inlands

But this one here says Firestone took molds as part of taking over the manufacturing.

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WOW! I wonder if lateral support? I am sure there is a helmet forum out there, if so I wonder if they ever heard of that one?
I know GE and a few of its subsidiaries made liners. And I learned that while researching carbine related items.
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I know this isn’t a helmet forum, but thought this was interesting. A Firestone-Inland?


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Every show I go to I look through the helmet liners in hopes of finding an Inland for my helmet shell

Ha! Spring chest, that is a good one.

Wayne, You got a Commercial Controls too!


I was going to post it when the "city postal code" when Matt brought it up
Notice the Rochester 2


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+Raymond Mfg. Co. - Corry Pa.
Pin, Trigger Housing Retaining
Standard Products

(+) denotes added during the program.





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All very cool!  I did not know, either, that Inland made helmets.

That, to me, is one of the great draws to carbines and carbine collecting.  The carbine is one of greatest examples of the collective war effort by such a variety of companies during WWII.  I hope that we would never need it, but I don’t think the effort put forth by industry during WWII could ever again be duplicated.

Just amazing.  Thanks for sharing. 
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This is probably not news to most of you, but I've recently started a foray into M1 helmets and was surprised to discover Inland manafactured helmet liners.









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Nothing directly that I know of.  I just was looking for an example of a city postal district from the 1940s.  edit. It did cross my mind that they almost certainly supplied the equipment and gas for welding the wire stocks.  Probably also for those items that were brazed.

Doing a little web searching, the Royal typewriter shown in my previous post is a Model 10, third variation, probably built in 1927.  My dad picked that one up after the war, probably in the 1950s or 60s.  He never liked the electric ones when they came along.  He punched those keys!

While we're on the Typewriter-Carbine theme, I use to own an early IBM electric typewriter found in the town dump.  It didn't take much to get working.  Probably was a model B.  Another kid in High School had a couple of them.  Funny the things we thought were interesting! 
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https://typewriterdatabase.com/1958-ibm-model-b.4340.typewriter
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City codes/postal district codes started in 1943 to break up larger cities. The Zone Improvement Plan (Zip Code) was in the early 60s

You got me on Linde/Union Carbide, what did they make for the carbine?
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