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metalwrkr ![]() Recruit ![]() ![]() Joined: Aug 23 2022 Location: Pacific NW Status: Offline Points: 14 |
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Recently purchased this carbine from a friend. Barrel is stamped UNDERWOOD 8-43 with a flaming bomb below it. The receiver is stamped QUALITY HMC and the serial number is within the second block of numbers given to Quality Hardware. It appears to have the newest gradient type sights, lever safety. Wide stock band and bayonet holder. The clip that came with it was an aftermarket 5 shot unit. I had some other clips from my Fathers old gear. The stock is a lightly sporterized 4 rivet, low wood potbelly type. I have not separated stock and barrel yet. There is an original M1 manual and armory parts list brochure. Also a bayonet and rifle case. There is a metal box stamped US with a bunch of parts, springs and cleaning rod as well as a wrench of some type and two other tools. A gunsmith friend of mine has evaluated this as an original WW2 carbine that has been armory reworked and later released into civilian hands, either to a commercial sporterizing house or private party who sporterized it. I would appreciate any insights or observations on this rifle. It certainly shoots well as two 50yd 5 shot groups attest. Thanks for any comments
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Old and worn out. I have two speeds, dead slow and all stop. Sent from my rotary phone!
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Rebel92 ![]() Grunt ![]() ![]() Joined: Jul 20 2021 Location: Hattiesburg, MS Status: Offline Points: 541 |
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I see a couple of sears, I think a firing pin, recoil spring, recoil spring guide, and a gas piston nut wrench in your spare parts box. I also think i see a couple of the spare recoil spring tubes, which would make sense being that yours is a Quality Hardware (QHMC) and they used that style of receiver all throughout their production! I am Sure there are other parts I cannot see.
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W5USMC ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Joined: Apr 29 2017 Location: Missouri Status: Offline Points: 2861 |
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Good looking carbine. Any markings in the sling well of the stock? The stock does not appear to be a "potbelly" looks like a type III, possibly a type II in earlier life. How about the bayonet markings?
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Wayne
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Matt_X ![]() Grunt ![]() ![]() Joined: Nov 10 2020 Location: Phila, Penn Status: Online Points: 731 |
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I'd be interested in knowing what manuals you have there too. The reprints I've seen are not complete - missing a lot of the interesting stuff about training. So I'd say your paperwork has historical value as well.
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metalwrkr ![]() Recruit ![]() ![]() Joined: Aug 23 2022 Location: Pacific NW Status: Offline Points: 14 |
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Hey Rebel, Here is a picture of the box contents. Might be easier to see. Thanks for your info!
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Old and worn out. I have two speeds, dead slow and all stop. Sent from my rotary phone!
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metalwrkr ![]() Recruit ![]() ![]() Joined: Aug 23 2022 Location: Pacific NW Status: Offline Points: 14 |
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Old and worn out. I have two speeds, dead slow and all stop. Sent from my rotary phone!
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One of the sears is for a M1911 pistol (below the recoil spring, left of the extractor.)
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W5USMC ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Joined: Apr 29 2017 Location: Missouri Status: Offline Points: 2861 |
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Nice stock, too bad someone thought it needed that recoil pad. Are there any markings on the right side of the stock?
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metalwrkr ![]() Recruit ![]() ![]() Joined: Aug 23 2022 Location: Pacific NW Status: Offline Points: 14 |
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Here are some pictures of the manuals and other items. The manual has what appears to be an addenda of several pages stapled to the front cover. I can't read what is on the sling. The scabbard looks legit and it appears as if maybe someone purchased it at an Army Navy store for $1.98. Go figure!
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Old and worn out. I have two speeds, dead slow and all stop. Sent from my rotary phone!
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GotSnlB28 ![]() Hard Corps ![]() ![]() Joined: Jan 01 2016 Location: WI Status: Offline Points: 853 |
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Rarer manufacturer of your canvas carrying case - well worth the $1.98 Lol. Nice bayonet and c-tip sling too.
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An eclectic group of cool items.
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Matt_X ![]() Grunt ![]() ![]() Joined: Nov 10 2020 Location: Phila, Penn Status: Online Points: 731 |
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The addenda in the field manual is Change 4 (19 August 1946) to the April 1944 edition. You may find the earlier changes attached there as well. The existance of those changes is listed here http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/books.html But I'm not aware of a description of those changes. ORD 7 B-28 Organizational Spare Parts and Equipment I'm not seeing a 5 November 1945 edition listed on either the club webpage above or David Albert's list. It might be useful for identifying changes or continued us of spare parts and accessories. For example in you collection there is a thong for cleaning. We've seen those in individual soldier carbine accessory packs from the 1950s, but its possible they were being issued earlier than that.
Sling markings are often difficult to read, and not all were marked. Some are marked MRT for Mildew Resistant Treatment, whcih I think is post WW2. Yours looks to be a manufacturer's mark. Follow this link |
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metalwrkr ![]() Recruit ![]() ![]() Joined: Aug 23 2022 Location: Pacific NW Status: Offline Points: 14 |
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Old and worn out. I have two speeds, dead slow and all stop. Sent from my rotary phone!
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W5USMC ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Joined: Apr 29 2017 Location: Missouri Status: Offline Points: 2861 |
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And the part pictured to the right of the trigger spring is a M1911 Disconnector. The oiler and contents were originally issued for the M1903 The tool marked US is a M1903 Combination tool. The sling looks to be marked SM Co 194?
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metalwrkr ![]() Recruit ![]() ![]() Joined: Aug 23 2022 Location: Pacific NW Status: Offline Points: 14 |
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Good eye on the sear! I would have never recognized it.
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Old and worn out. I have two speeds, dead slow and all stop. Sent from my rotary phone!
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metalwrkr ![]() Recruit ![]() ![]() Joined: Aug 23 2022 Location: Pacific NW Status: Offline Points: 14 |
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No markings on the right side. Is there any significance of the sling well inscription?
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Old and worn out. I have two speeds, dead slow and all stop. Sent from my rotary phone!
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W5USMC ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Joined: Apr 29 2017 Location: Missouri Status: Offline Points: 2861 |
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Q RMC = stock was made by Rock-Ola Mfg Co. for Quality Hardware
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metalwrkr ![]() Recruit ![]() ![]() Joined: Aug 23 2022 Location: Pacific NW Status: Offline Points: 14 |
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Looks like this carbine is a real "Dukes Mix"! Oh well, She shoots. All I was after!
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Old and worn out. I have two speeds, dead slow and all stop. Sent from my rotary phone!
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Matt_X ![]() Grunt ![]() ![]() Joined: Nov 10 2020 Location: Phila, Penn Status: Online Points: 731 |
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Considering its a Q.H. receiver, having a stock made for Quality is a good match. I think it may have been mentioned that no manufacturer made all of the parts in-house. Rockola had the capacity and ability to make stocks for some of the other manufacturers.
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