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JW5400
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Posted: Mar 25 2019 at 7:39am |
I recently came into possession of my first carbine due to the passing of a friend. I'm trying to determine if it is of any value at all. I am quite unfamiliar with them since I haven't seen or touched one since 1963 when I was on active duty. Although I have a few rifles, none of any real significance, I am primarily a handgun guy.
First I can find absolutely no markings anywhere on the stock and it appears to be fairly pristine except for a few small scratches and some wear in front of the barrel band which is stamped with SI although one member said it's actually IS. The strap seems to be brand new and is a dark OD color so I would think that had to be added recently. The barrel is stamped with Inland Mfg, Div of GM etc. and the date 10-43. The front site has an L stamped on the side. The mag release has what looks like an underlined M but I have seen nothing on the site that mentions anything like that. The rear site has what appears to be a very faint P1 or PI on it. The serial number stamped under and behind the rear site is 2927XXX These are the only markings I can see externally and due to my unfamiliarity I'm uncomfortable disassembling anything at this time. I took some quick pics but I'm not sure if they're going to come out. Thank you, John |
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floydthecat
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Stock appears to have been sanded. Sling is definately aftermarket. Obviously an arsenal rebuilt carbine, but the finish looks extremely fresh. Looks like it could be a very good little gun.
Value depends on what part of the country you’re in, but non-import...$800-$900 generally speaking. In some circles, import marks would devalue it by $100-or-so. |
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JW5400
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Thanks, I figured the arsenal rebuilt part from what I've read here, especially the bayonet lug. It also has two bayonets but only one fits it. I tried to post that pic but it was too large.
Thanks again, I appreciate your info! |
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New2brass
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your barrel band is SI American Radiator Standard Sanitary corp to Inland. ( Now American Standard)
your stock may be a Winchester, check inside the stock on the bridge by trigger housing cutout or side ledge of forward section. Look for small W in slingwell. If you pull off buttplate, how many holes? *Edit to add: looking on the big screen you may have a sanded potbelly. Take action out of the stock, is there a bridge as discussed above?
Your front sight is Lyman made for Winchester Did you check the main pages under parts for Mag catch? http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/triggergroup4.html M is modified, M underlined is the later one that also supports 30 round mags. Look where magazine touches it. Sometimes marked. |
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sling00
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Welcome to the forum. Nice looking carbine. If you're interested in seeing what else you have "under the hood", you'll need to take it out of the stock. Here's the first guide I came across from the CMP. http://thecmp.org/wp-content/uploads/m1carbinedisassembly.pdf It really isn't hard. These instructions don't include disassembly of the trigger housing components and that would probably be best left for another day once you've read up on it. But you'll figure it out too.
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JW5400
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Thanks, it does take a 30 round magazine.
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New2brass
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Yep, that's a potbelly
30 round magazine will fit a carbine without the little sidearm that is on the M mag catch. It is just that the magazine will not have the extra support and may deform the nibs on the magazine. It was about added support for the extra weight and arguably the vibrations when in "Rock n Roll" There are unmarked late style magazine catches with the arm both USGI and "other"
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JW5400
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JW5400
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Thanks to New2brass for additional help on identifying my carbine!
also to answer one additional question...I removed the butt plate and there are three holes under it. |
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m1a1fan
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Welcome to the forum. Nice looking carbine! Sorry to hear about the loss of your friend. Two holes, one above and below the hole for the butt plate screw are characterists of Winchester stocks and I think one maker of IBM stocks. Looks like a Winchester stock to me as others mentioned above. I'm about 50/50 finding the W in the sling well. Sometimes, Winchester stocks will have markings on the stock bridge or the rail as new2 described above.
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JW5400
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Thanks to you gentlemen I now have a pretty good idea of what I own, which leads me to another additional question. Assuming this is a Winchester Potbelly stock, is that a good thing or a bad thing?
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New2brass
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When I thought it was a flat bottom stock I thought maybe Winchester. A few manufacturers used the holes under buttplate. Potbelly stocks have been observed with the holes as well.
To be clear, Winchester did not make a potbelly stock. |
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jackp1028
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When you are finally able to disassemble your carbine, look for markings on the top surface of the stock along the barrel channel. Post war potbelly stocks were often made by Springfield Armory, marked "SA". They would have three holes under the butt plate.
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JW5400
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I have disassembled it and there are no visible markings anywhere.
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jackp1028
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Some post war replacement stocks were not marked.
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jackp1028
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Another possibility is that it may be a foreign made replacement stock that made it's way back to the U.S. on a carbine that was on loan to one of the foreign recipients of the Military Assistance Program or Lend Lease.
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New2brass
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The wood looks to be walnut
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JW5400
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That’s what I thought.
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BER911
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My Rock-Ola has a replacement Springfield walnut pot-belly stock. Here you can clearly see the SA mark on the stock. |
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Semper Fi, Bruce
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Donnie
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JW5400, welcome to the forum. I am a newbie myself. Last year a friend wanted to sell his Inland that he inherited from his brother. It only takes one to start a passion for these M1s. Seven months from my first one and I now have two. A collector and a shooter.
My advice is to read old posts on this forum and follow links to other sources to improve your knowledge. AS you can see there are so many helpful folks willing to share their knowledge and experience. There are many reference books out there as well. I bought a few and found there are well worth the expense. Lastly, there are many YouTube videos to educate you on detail striping, to make that much less daunting. Keep us posted regarding your first range trip. |
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