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    Posted: Oct 21 2017 at 12:39am
Hey everyone.  New member here from British Columbia, Canada.  Signed up a little while ago, but just starting to find some time now to have a good look through the forum.

I have been playing with M1 carbines for several years now, but only in the last two have I really started to seriously attempt collecting them. 

As I have been told, and I am certainly finding through experience, finding completely genuine examples of factory USGI M1 carbines in Canada is not common.

In the past year I feel very fortunate to have stumbled upon, not just one, but two National Postal Meter carbines (SN#s: 418xxxx and 438xxxx) that appear to retain their factory parts. Unfortunately both of them show previous owners custom handiwork as well.

I have completed a data sheet for the 418xxxx and plan to do the same for the 438xxxx soon.  It is pretty neat to see how similar they both are in terms of the parts markings each of them have.

Below is a picture of the earlier one.  Will try and post a number of photos of both soon and hopefully I can get some input from the experts out there.

Really looking forward to learning as much as I can about these intriguing firearms.

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Welcome to the forum!  As you've seen there are several knowledgeable folks on here that can help answer whatever carbine questions you might have. You've already mastered posting pics so that was the hard part, at least for me.  Good looking carbine - Looks like a high wood stock in the pic and the patina is nice.  I would say you have a couple nice carbines for sure and I look forward to hearing more about them. BTW, what kind of "previous owners custom handiwork" do they have?

Again, welcome and thanks for sharing.
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Yes, young enough to have been around computers all my life, but not so young that I was born with a cell phone in my hand Wink

So when the NPM came to me originally, this is how she looked ....



Someone figured the barrel needed a little ventilation I guess (it was the correct 'TN' marked hand guard). They also did some sort of nasty black paint job to the barrel itself.  The stock had been finished with a lacquer of some sort too.

Unfortunately never a true collector after a bit of restoration.  Still a nice example.





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Welcome! A great example of an NPM with a Marlin barrel. Don't see many of those around these days. Thanks for sharing.
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Coincidentally, the other NPM (SN# 438xxxx, sub-contract marked 'U' for Union Switch & Signal) that I picked up recently has the opposite issues with the stock set.  The hand guard (2 rivet TN marked) is okay other than it being finished in lacquer, but the stock has been heavily modified.

Unfortunately, the receiver and barrel (also MARLIN marked) has been hot blued, and a small chunk of barrel extension has also been added.

After field stripping it, all the parts seem to be correctly marked though.  





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Welcome to the forum. I guess that you could say that the vent holes on the the one's handguard and the barrel extension on the other one add character, I find both modifications pretty interesting. Regardless nice pics, thanks for sharing.  
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Welcome to the forums! Please do fill out data sheets. At very least PM me the serial number of the NPM U and barrel make date as I am compiling the serial number lists of all subcontracted receivers and lineouts for the club.
 
Is the barrel band a type 2 or a type 3 cut down?
 
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The NPM-U has a genuine Type II barrel band as far as I can tell.

Here are a few more pictures from my initial break down of the carbine ....









The color of the trigger housing is something I would like to know about.  I have seen a couple Inland ones like that, but don't know anything about why it would be like that.

The marking on the sling is something I have not come across before either.  An input would be much appreciated.

ps. The extractor is marked 'IN' and the firing pin 'DN'.
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The Bavarian and Austrian states blued a lot of carbines. Usually they are marked on receiver near the bolt. Click on top banner then on left side menu click on occupation carbines.
 
In there is "the Armory" with lots of pictures of carbines.
 
It is believed that the trigger housings turn plum when blued at the wrong temperature. This may be due to the composition of the material used. There are a few other theories and documentation of plum housings. Hopefully we can find some definitive information.
 
Nice sling!
 
Any markings on the band?
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Unmarked barrel band. Which to the best of my knowledge would be correct for the serial number of this carbine.

Thanks for the info on the trigger housing.  I look forward to figuring out something definitive.  

From my previous experience with German issued M1 carbines, I saw none of the normal indicators on this particular carbine (last 4 digits of serial # stamped into stock set, trigger housing, slide, etc.) that made me think it had seen that sort of use.  Which sort of led me to believe the bluing, was also done by the same person who modified the stock.  Just a guess though ...



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