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    Posted: Jan 14 2022 at 1:29pm
Does anyone know if this sheath was ever an issued item? War Baby II says it was experimental, and I can find no reference to it ever being issued to the troops or with the carbines.
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Reed, here is an old thread on the "Holster Experimental". It does not answer whether or not they were ever really issued but offers a bit of info. I swear I saw an actual wartime picture either here or another forum maybe from Korea of a troop actually wearing one of these, but I can't seem locate it.
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I seem to recall seeing that same holster on one of the firearm auction sites. 

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Thanks, Wayne
From that 2019 thread, I speculate that the holster maybe did make it past the experimental stage, and may have been used in a very limited fashion. Perhaps we will never know for sure. 
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Look up lineman's holster. They weren't experimental. They were a standard ,but limited issue item. I have one myself.
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I have never looked into the M1 carbine holster but it seems they are all over the place. They all seem to be in excellent shape which is curious.

It seems they are popular with the re-enactment groups and those that cater to them. Prices range from $35 to those spelled out as reproductions to $150-250 for those claimed as USGI
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Then there a ton on eBay. Some say reproduction, others experimental and others claim USGI.
I do not know what is what or if they were ever actually issued.

The 90th Infantry Division Preservation Group is a group of re-enactors and they do history and research.
they have a page that shows the M1 carbine holster taken from the "Manual of the Carbine"
I think one of the newsletters had used these pictures.



I will say that at times the manuals and publications may have information that never went into effect.
I did not read the above page, and it is not an endorsement. Just quick google foo as I do not have the time right now.

Was there an experimental M1 carbine holster? YUP!

Below a training film where you can see the holsters and carry bags in different orientations.
I suspect they were trying to establish what was best.

World War 2 D-Day Training Braunton Burrows - American Troops practicing on the replica concrete landing craft


Maybe someone would like to take on the project and catalog the makers markings and note if it is claimed as a reproduction or USGI. See if there is a marking that is claimed as both!

From there maybe we can find some actual contracts to get an idea of what is what.
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Can anyone tell if the crew shown starting around 0:41 has the same sheath on their carbines?
I'm not sure but it looks like they are using the carbine sling to carry it on their backs. 
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From early 80's Universal accessories catalog.

Anyone have one that was known to be manufactured for Universal, that can be reviewed?
Did they have the wartime manufactures stamped inside them?
Is it possible someone came into a supply of these, that marked the wartime manufactures in them for better sales later on?

I will post pics of my well used LUB PROD. Co. 1943 marked one in a few.
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Photo album with additional pics of holster.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/1Z5XZb1kMxKa4cSD8

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Known reproduction of holster.

Note: rivets, female fastener no-dot, font of manufactures stamp and weave used on the strap.
Some of the traits that caught my eye.






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Mine is also a LUB. PROD. 1943 in slightly better condition. Most of the rivets show the type of corrosion you would expect on a piece of equipment  almost 80 years old. All of the stitching is done with cotton thread, no nylon present. One thing worth noting is the rivets at the bottom of the holster. The back of these rivets look like a flower blossom. Those rivets can be seen clearly in the photo of the holster shown on page 649 of War Baby II. I looked at the pictures of the repros and those same rivets on the repros are smooth and round, not hollow centered and split like flower petals.
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Yep I took note of the peened hollow rivets as well; my center one is pulled through. Without it there the carbine barrel slides out the bottom. Guess they used this method to make a better hold on the canvas.


I liked the well worn look of this one and got it cheap. Hadn't thought much about it until seeing this thread and pulling it out. Over morning coffee yesterday I watched numerous Signal Corps videos hoping to spot one but came up nil.
Searched through the Listing of Major War Supply Contracts docs I have but didn't find anything regarding the holsters.







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Excellent stuff!

the problem with the cumulative contract listings is that it only reports contracts in excess of 50k
Then there is some of the terminology used. If you can find what "bags, canvas" are then you can rule that out as a holster.
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Started a thread on milsurps earlier today for research reinforcements on the holster.
https://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/367257-the-m1-carbine-holster/

Member shared a great photo of the m1 carbine holster in use, shown below.


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I found this paper folded up in one of these scabbards I own.
USMC Dated 2-15-44, either shipping or receiving 60 scabbards, canvas, Carbine cal. .30


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Good find @Jangle; thanks for sharing that.

Found this to be interesting.
Taken from the Military Establishment Appropriation Bill For 1944 hearings, that took place on Wednesday, May 26, 1943.





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