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jackp1028 ![]() Hard Corps ![]() ![]() Joined: Jan 01 2016 Location: Cloudcroft, NM Status: Offline Points: 1245 |
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Purpose of the S/N Spread Sheets: 1. Establish probable “Made By” dates. (Generally, it is assumed the “Made By” date is within one month of the barrel date unless otherwise in conflict with a documented historical event.) 2. Provide to collectors a link to the documented information such as Carbine of the Month Data Sheets, CCNL Articles, auction listings, written descriptions, photographs, etc. for listed serial numbers that may have historic significance or have been manufactured in the same timeframe as the collector’s carbine. 3. Identify timeframes and S/N ranges for specific carbine features. (Example: When did Winchester use Underwood receivers?) 4. If a carbine is offered for sale with a serial number that is close to one that is documented, the configuration can be compared to the descriptions in the provided links, helping to confirm the carbines originality. The serial numbers contained herein come from the following sources: 1. Larry Ruth’s “War Baby!” and “War Baby 3” documents specific events and the dates they occurred related to specific carbine serial numbers. 2. The Carbines of the Month (COM) featured in the 384 editions of the Carbine Club News Letters (CCNL’s) document specific information recognized as reliable about specific carbines. 3. Specific articles in the Carbine Club News Letters (CCNL’s) that include serial numbers, barrel dates and information of interest such as significant historical or technical information. 4. The Civilian Marksmanship Program. The CMP Completed Auction listings web site provides written descriptions and photographs of auctioned carbines that are believed to have come directly from the U. S. government and are free of reproduction parts. There are also
selected serial numbers recovered from archived CMP Auction web pages
from the past where barrel maker and barrel dates are noted. Unfortunately, the links are not available for these archived
listings. 5. The carbines showcased in the Carbine Collectors Club's "Featured Carbines" and "Carbines of the Collectors" forums. Also,
carbines appearing in the Bavarian Armory page of the Bavarian Carbines web site
located here: http://www.bavarianm1carbines.com/ Note" Clicking on the link in the PDF will take you
directly to the original posts noted above. 6. The serial numbers in these spread sheets do not necessarily include all submitted Data Sheets from Club members. We continue to encourage the submission of Data Sheets to grow the source of data for future possible updates. The Probable “Made By” Dates are estimated based on the following evidence: 1. Patterns that are indicated by consistent series of recorded barrel dates. Barrel dates that obviously conflict with reasonable manufacturing dates are noted “Inconsistent Barrel Date”. 2. Documented historical events from the War Baby! series of books showing specific dates. 3. In the case of Winchester, records showing the last receiver S/N stamped each day of production. This is not necessarily the date the carbine is completed. 4. Estimated "Made By" dates are generally supported by published monthly production quantities while taking the effect of scrap and unused serial numbers into consideration. Below are links to the PDF searchable spread sheets for each prime contractor (After launching a file, you can key "Ctrl F" to use the search function): International Business Machines Corp. (I.B.M.) Inland Division of General Motors Irwin-Pedersen Arms Co./Saginaw Steering, Gear Grand Rapids (IP/S’G’) National Postal Meter (NPM) Quality Hardware and Machine Co. (QHMC) Rock-Ola Corporation Saginaw Steering Gear of General Motors (S.G.) Standard Products Company Underwood Elliot Fisher Co. Winchester Repeating Arms Co. Edited by W5USMC - Oct 19 2022 at 12:01am |
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What a great resource JackP, thanks for putting this together.
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Wayne
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1989LX ![]() On Point ![]() ![]() Joined: Jul 23 2019 Location: Gwinnett Co. GA Status: Offline Points: 123 |
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This is fantastic! Thanks awfully for creating this!
If someone has a serial number they want to add, are you taking serials to update the lists with? Because if so, I have an S'G' to contribute. |
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USGI magazines are like potato chips, you can't have just one!
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jackp1028 ![]() Hard Corps ![]() ![]() Joined: Jan 01 2016 Location: Cloudcroft, NM Status: Offline Points: 1245 |
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@1989XL, I welcome contributions but would prefer that they originate from a source that can later be independently referenced such as CCNL's, CMP Auction listings, Carbine Club "Featured Carbines" or "Carbines of the Collectors" or such sources as War Baby!. The key is that they should be documented in a way that readers can independently access the original source.
Perhaps you can submit your S'G' in the "Carbines of the Collectors" forum along with photos and a Data Sheet and then it could be added to a future update of the spread sheet. |
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GotSnlB28 ![]() Hard Corps ![]() ![]() Joined: Jan 01 2016 Location: WI Status: Offline Points: 856 |
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@jackp thanks for putting this together! Nicely done.
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jackp1028 ![]() Hard Corps ![]() ![]() Joined: Jan 01 2016 Location: Cloudcroft, NM Status: Offline Points: 1245 |
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@GotSnlB28, I didn't do it alone. I got help from New2brass, Hunterman, W5USMC and tenOCEE. Others have offered future help. Hopefully this will continue to grow.
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Nice group effort guys. If I can be of any assistance let me know. |
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ncin1911 ![]() On Point ![]() ![]() Joined: Dec 13 2018 Location: Hoosier State Status: Offline Points: 430 |
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Very nice job fellows!
![]() I fleshed out a similar spreadsheet for IBM using many of the same resources that compliments my IBM binder of notes and CCNL's.
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NewScotlander ![]() Grunt ![]() Advanced Collector Joined: Jan 02 2016 Location: New York Status: Offline Points: 682 |
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For Inland production, the Saginaw receivers (700,000 thru 940,000+) were not produced in sequential order with the Inland receivers. See CCNL 346, page 4, second paragraph. Same with the second serial number block Saginaw receivers.
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Charles ![]() Grunt ![]() ![]() Joined: Mar 21 2016 Location: Maryland Status: Offline Points: 586 |
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It was great seeing my S'G' s serial number in that list, it's the first time I've ever seen it in print.
Thanks guys.
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Charles
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@NewScotlander PM sent.
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jackp1028 ![]() Hard Corps ![]() ![]() Joined: Jan 01 2016 Location: Cloudcroft, NM Status: Offline Points: 1245 |
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@Charles, which S'G' was yours? I'll make a note.
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this is awesome! Thank you for your hard work.
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Charles ![]() Grunt ![]() ![]() Joined: Mar 21 2016 Location: Maryland Status: Offline Points: 586 |
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Mine is # 3549164 It is the one with the hand carved stock from the Philippines my dad brought back. "THE GIFT"
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Charles
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Wow can't believe it great job on the spread sheet. I saw both my carbines my Inland sn. 938 and my Winchester sn. 1102913. Just posted pictures a few weeks ago keep up the good work.
With covid shutting down so many shows this is all thats left to do. I have learned a lot in just a short time here.
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jangle ![]() On Point ![]() Joined: Jan 13 2016 Location: Ohio Status: Offline Points: 143 |
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I concur. My hat is off to you guys for all your hard work!
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SSNPingjockey ![]() On Point ![]() ![]() Joined: Mar 07 2020 Location: NC Status: Offline Points: 225 |
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Jack,
Think you noted a new high WTA number. After looking at the Underwood section of your serial number compilation, there may be a new high number for the WTA serials. On the Club's page with the highest and lowest serial numbers known, is that s/n 2,404,928 is the highest Underwood serial for a WTA Winchester. Your new list now has 2,405,154 that was sold at CMP Auction #1790. Great job, by the way! Your work on the data and posting it is really appreciated.
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UEF 1350262 is still alive! As a follow-up to Jack's post with the serial number spreadsheet, the Underwood section noted that UEF s/n 1350262 was a rifle used for testing. - First five of 500 carbines production tested Dec. 11, 1942 (WB pg 111) - Also used to test brazed trigger housing Mar. 13, 1943(WB pg 366). As a point of documentation of the rifles used for testing, this one is still alive and kicking and, as some may have seen, was sold on GB in either March or April of 2020. This is the only photo that I can locate that I saved from the auction. I also recall that the only original aspect of the rifle was the receiver and rear flip sight. The remainder, including the barrel I think, was all mix-master and neither early, nor UEF. I spoke to Dan and he reminded me that since Inland actually made the first receivers used by UEF through 1350209, that this receiver would actually be the 53rd receiver made by Underwood. (CCNL #259) ![]() Edited by SSNPingjockey - Feb 22 2021 at 12:53pm |
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jackp1028 ![]() Hard Corps ![]() ![]() Joined: Jan 01 2016 Location: Cloudcroft, NM Status: Offline Points: 1245 |
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Great find!! I hope there are many more like this.
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3549164
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Charles
Co B 1st Batl.115 Inf. Reg. 29th. Divi. 4.2 Heavy Mortar Co Retired Life member NRA |
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