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    Posted: Feb 06 2018 at 5:10pm
Flip sight staking:

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I don't think so. No "S". Did you know that "S" stands for "sinister", Latin for "on the left side", opposite of "dexter".
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The rear sight is unmarked and staked the same way on both sides



Gas cylinder. The rainbow color is from CLP and my suspect picture taking skills.



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AS marking (or is it PI....)

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Looks like a very early Inland with a removable, "pinned" gas cylinder. American Swiss Type 2 barrel band. I would have expected a Type 1 barrel band with this barrel. Parts appear somewhat polished.
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@davet: I think it is a real rear sight but with no markings and such strange pin staking, it is hard to know for sure.

@jackp: Great observations. It is an early Inland receiver. The entire barreled receiver is blued and polished.



An early Inland should have a type 1 band, but this one was presented long after the end of the war.
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Receiver, stock, handguard, trigger housing, M2 slide and other parts

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Nice cherry stock.
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Thanks Charles. Did not realize it was cherry. Still not great at identifying wood but thie stock is marked OI in the slingwell. There is no cartouche as one would expect. Hand guard is also marked OI.

Any tips as to identifying cherry wood?
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Unfortunate to have been reblued of a high polished Colt type blue. Typical of what many gunsmiths do to sporter rifles. The trigger housing is of red color due to being a cast piece. When Ruger came out with the M77 their recievers were of investment casting and they struggled a few years with that problem. My early M77 reciever was reddish color and since it never shot well, rebarreled with a douglas barrel. My friend in Oregon who is into the Winchester rifles reblued my M77 and just blued over the reciever without touching or polishing. Barrel was spun with his secrect grit and the special blue to duplicate the Winchester color is secrecative to very few in that business. To this day it is hard to detect any reddish color in the reciever. I have a Win 1890 that was in a fire and draw filed and reblued. When I get picture educated would like to post picture showing this barrel. If carbine was mine, I would repolish to courser grit and reblue or parkerized. Sure like the stock also. Jim K.
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Hmm, I do not believe Overton ever used cherry.
 
Who says it is re-blued and not original blueing? This is a presentation carbine with what I believe to have a special history.
Many presentation carbines were polished and blued. As to the trigger housing, take a very close look at it. Notice anything?
Interesting call on the TH being cast. Cast parts have been observed with redish hue, however we have seen parts such as receivers being a plum color due to the metallurgical composition of the metal used and not being blued at the correct temperature for said metal.
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The trigger housing is an M2 type VI, unless my lousy computer let me down again.

Yep, it did let me down, not a VI.
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Having only a photo as an example I still think it is cherry but having 40 years experience as a cabinet maker I do believe it to be cherry.
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@Charles-The stock is marked OI in the slingwell. I see wavy and straight grains. Walnut can have wavy or curly grains. Have an old wood id book and it looks like walnut to me.

Edit: Added more pictures of the stock. Will reserve judgement on the type of wood until they are reviewed by the experts and a consensus is reached.

















Note the saw marks still in the wood under the buttplate




Good call on the trigger housing as it is thought to be cast. There is no hammer spring recess. Side note: It is a giant pain to get it back together without the recess. It is unmarked except for an A on both sides of the rear section of the upper trigger guard.



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I observed an Inland presentation carbine recently marked "M2" on the receiver ring. How is this one marked? 
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The ring is marked M1
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Ted, if was  a presentation as Dan seems to think, isn't it possible they may have used cherry, being a more exotic wood then walnut? May I suggest removing the butt plate, if it has not been stained, you can get a better idea of what it is or I could.
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No doubt in my mind this Inland presentation carbine (XB271) is the way it was put together long after production ceased. The parts were scrounged up where ever they could find them. The trigger housing is a remanent  of some experimental modifications. The only "X" presentation carbine above 100 for some reason. Maybe 271 was his lucky number or house number or his clock number..........etc
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I agree with Grunt as not a type V1 M2. The curvature on side of trigger housing wrong, but agree is for an M2 but here I am again back to a blued cast iron piece turned red which makes me think could even be an Erma in a period of time cutting corners to cast instead of milling parts in my opinion.
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@arthur- trying to find more information other than what is known, but no luck so far. Will keep trying.

Wonder what the A marked on the either side of the housing signify?

Does not look like receiver and ring are roll stamped.



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